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I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the power

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cast before we get on with our guests

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Phillip and Brock know I want to talk

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about field investigation you know a lot

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of people who research UFOs and other

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paranormal events they spend most of

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their time in the armchair and certainly

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Charles fort is the classic armchair

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investigator right and he basically

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spent all his time and libraries pretty

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much checking over books and musty

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newspaper clippings is that a valuable

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thing to do or does that do a disservice

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to research well you can only go so far

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Jean with that kind of research you know

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having done quite a bit of it myself

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I've come to the conclusion that media

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reports by by themselves you know aren't

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oftentimes completely accurate I found

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for instance the you know reading a

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newspaper story about someone's strange

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experience and then contacting witness

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on my own and comparing their actual

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first-hand first-person account to

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eventually ended up in a newspaper

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article and and oftentimes there is a a

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bias on the part of the

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order more times than not let me ask you

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about that because I have done beat

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report abroad cast journalist and what I

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noticed is I'm sitting there I'm with

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the radio station and then we have the

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newspaper reporters and you put two

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people in the same room watching the

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same event you find two different

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stories sometimes with different facts

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yep that's true I've had group sightings

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with as many as 10 12 people where

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there's a slight kind of a slew which

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may be personal bias it may be people

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not having adequate languaging to

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perhaps convey details of their

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experience oftentimes the the basic

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general you know perceptions are the

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same but when you get into how long was

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it exactly the sequence of events

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oftentimes people get confused and

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switch things around the one thing I do

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find the most variance in is the actual

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time duration of an event some people

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think it's a lot quicker some people

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think that's a lot a lot longer and you

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have to sort of take an average mean I

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guess between multi witness accounts and

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then I think that's the best way to come

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up with would be the most accurate

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I think details of the of the actual

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sighting event or whatever type of event

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that it is this is old gimmick they used

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to do on The Tonight Show and I think

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even the show run by the late Steve

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Allen after he left the Tonight Show

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where they have 10 people and a comedian

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tells a joke to one of the 10 people

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each in turn repeats that joke to the

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next person by the time the 10th person

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has heard that story

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it is totally unrecognizable yet the old

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game telephone exactly well that's why

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someone like Phil and Bragg know I think

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who we're going to I'm just absolutely

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fascinated with his work he's been very

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instrumental in my process

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his first book that I'm aware of night

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siege which came out I believe in 87 I

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think I modeled some of my investigative

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techniques and his bedside manner I

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think is very conducive for allowing

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witnesses to feel comfortable enough to

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fully divulge the extent of their

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experiences and and reading through his

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latest book files on the edge it just

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reminds me of the amazing job that he

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did with Bob Pratt and

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in a less way J Allen Hynek terms of

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investigating the incredible amount of

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activity in the Hudson River Valley in

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the in the early to mid 80s just

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absolute amazing investigator and I'm

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this is a real treat for me to actually

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get a chance to talk to Phil we we've

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never actually met I'm really looking

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forward to this well of course Phil goes

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out on the scene this is one of the

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things that's a constant if you read the

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book or read his several books as I've

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done that he actually will do the study

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so go into the library to go into the

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newspaper morgues and check the papers

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but then he will spend nights he'll

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travel all over his area in Connecticut

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in parts of New York State and he'll

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actually spend nights and days trying to

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investigate something personally now

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someone like you where you have honed

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your investigative skills what are the

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things that are most important when

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doing field research

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the most important thing is to write

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everything down unless you keep an

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accurate log of your investigative

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activities there's no way that you're

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going to be able to make any sense of it

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later on down the road and that's the

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first thing that I tell people who want

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to get involved in my skywatching

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network in the San Luis Valley or who

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are interested in getting involved in

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field investigative work that is so

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crucial you really have to write

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everything down yeah you have to assume

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a mundane explanation for any and all

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events that come your way whether

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personally experienced or otherwise I

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think that that's a mistake that a lot

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of young up-and-coming investigators

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make because they already have pre you

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know conceived notions of what they're

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dealing with and they're front-loaded

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into believing that something is one

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thing or another thing when they should

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let the facts of a particular event sort

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of steer them in the direction of some

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sort of tentative conclusion or

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hypothesis I think a lot of people think

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they've figured it all out they're just

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going out to get the data to prove their

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conclusions and so we know there's

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spaceships therefore we will apply that

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theory to everything we see even if it

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points to another direction yes and and

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that's that's something that you know I

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mean is the converse is true as well I

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mean people who go out

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to debunk this stuff have the same issue

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which is they've already figured out in

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their mind there's no such thing as the

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paranormal or there's no such thing as

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UFOs and if they see something they will

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bend over backwards to come up with even

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outlandish explanations to try to

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explain away something that could be

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truly high strange well that's

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unfortunate both ends but then of course

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if you're dealing with something which

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you can't explain how do you even know

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the benchmarks how do you find the

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benchmarks to determine whether

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something is real or some kind of

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natural phenomenon or a fake well you

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know again it depends on the kind of

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event obviously you know your criteria

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is going to be different for you know

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some sort of youthful logical event some

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sort of aerial object or if you're in a

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haunted house doing some sort of haunted

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site investigation or whether you're out

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tramping around looking for a Bigfoot I

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mean it depends on obviously the type of

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scenario that you find yourself in but I

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think everybody really needs to be as

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objective about investigative work out

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in the field as possible and really make

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a concerted effort to factor out all

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Monday and potential explanations before

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jumping towards the highest range in my

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first book mysterious Valley and in my

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second book enter the valley I start the

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book off with thirteen suggested rules

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of investigation which are also listed

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on my website and I put those rules

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together in the order in which I really

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you know first got it about a particular

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axiom and I think that if you go and

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look at those 13 rules of Investigation

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they'll make a lot of sense to someone

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that's I interested in this field

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especially if they're interested enough

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to go out in the field and do field work

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well certainly the other thing is here

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how do you know you're not being fooled

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that somebody isn't looking for their 15

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minutes of fame so they invent a UFO or

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a poltergeist or strange ball of light

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in the sky or hooded miniatures well

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again when I first started as a you know

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an aspiring full-time field investigator

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back in the early 90s I was in a very

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remote location where I

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a lot of very down-to-earth

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salt-of-the-earth straight shooters

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ranchers farmers you know for service

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people I did not find that to be the

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case I think confabulation tends to grow

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in terms of percentage as you get closer

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to the cities that's kind of a general

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rule of thumb that I have I think rural

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people by and large have nothing to gain

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by trying to create some sort of hoax I

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think sometimes they can be mistaken or

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confused or maybe misinterpret let's say

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natural phenomena for instance but I

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think by and large my personal

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experience out in the field I only had a

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handful of cases where I felt that the

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person was was knowingly in actively

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trying to hoax me that is not to say

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that that's the you know it's going to

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be the same all over you know the

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country of the world in that regard I

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think as time goes on more and more

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people I think are looking for that Andy

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Warhol II in 15 minutes of fame and it's

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I think it's becoming more of a problem

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we'll get into that in more detail in

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just a few moments we'll be talking with

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Philip J Umbraco

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author of a number of paranormal books

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including his latest files from the edge

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power cast the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

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casts Phil you've written a number of

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books on the subject

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the latest files from the edge subtitle

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of paranormal investigators explorations

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into high strangeness so what do we

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define as high strangeness you know hi

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strangers came from dr. J Allen Hynek

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and you know back in the days when we

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were investigating ordinary UFO

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sightings

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you know we encountered cases that were

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outside of the normal UFO experience if

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you can call UFOs normal and these cases

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involve you know the sightings of alien

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beings creatures from somewhere else

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strange types of psychic phenomena

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associated with deciding things that

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were triggered by UFO sightings or UFOs

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in the area he just said one day you

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know these cases have you know they're

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really hot eerily strange you know high

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strangeness so he labeled these cases

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and actually you know during the

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investigation of the Hudson Valley

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sightings we had loads of high

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strangeness cases and dr. Hynek wouldn't

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touch okay well what were the things

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that you saw during the Hudson Valley

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investigation that would be classified

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as this high strangeness factor yeah

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well you know people were calling saying

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that they had sightings and later on

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that night or the following days they

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saw these strange entities coming into

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their bedroom at night and some of them

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were claiming that

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they were on lonely dark roads and on an

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object came over their car and there

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were creatures in the road they were

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pulled out of the road by strange

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creatures also in a number of cases

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where the UFO was being spotted people

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were reporting this sort of like large

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hairy humanoid creatures hearing strange

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sound electric static phenomenon people

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claiming to hear voices where in

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association with the UFO sighting and so

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on so these cases were outside the

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normal UFO report that we were getting

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at that time if you call them normal of

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course well you know if you could call

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you up to neither normal I've been

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around UFOs so long too normal to me you

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know back in the 80s as Alan Hynek said

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you know and we were discussing this he

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said well but I said well this is all

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just part of the phenomena even if it's

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something psychological or if it's

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something that's happening it's

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happening in in in a multitude of

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experiences here and he just you know

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puffed on a pipe and looked at me gave

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me that look and he said you know you

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cannot give the media this type of case

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because they'll have a field day with it

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it'll make all of the other sightings

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that we're trying to establish as

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legitimate what crazy is that sort of

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political correctness though yeah but

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you know that's true but today many of

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these sightings you see many of these

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types of encounters would not be

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considered crazy back then it was hard

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enough to believe in UFOs but today with

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all the paranormal stuff going on TV and

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all these reality shows and so on

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you know today people are more willing

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to accept that the general public rather

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than to sit back and make fun of it and

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laugh at it yes but do you think the

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problem might also be that the media is

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playing that for entertainment not for

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information oh of course I mean there's

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no doubt about that the only reason why

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UFOs and the power normal came back

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being so popular it's because all the

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experiences are taking place and people

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are having these experiences and these

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UFOs are showing up all over the place

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in front of your thousands of people and

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the media on TV say hey you know the

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public's interested in this let's do a

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show on it and I'll tell you I've worked

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with many of the producers on these

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shows they could give a damn about UFOs

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or coward or all they want to do you

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know get something out there that they

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could get sponsored to make a book

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that's even true of course just about

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the day's news you have 24/7 cable news

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networks and the question here is is

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just to provide information about the

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latest news or just entertain you well

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you know that's true unless they make it

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more dramatic they're not you know

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they're not going to get people to watch

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it this is why they always give you a

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little taste a little teaser before the

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show goes on so you stay tuned or for

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commercials coming on they give you a

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teaser y'all bothers me most about the

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teaser though is that they'll give you a

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teaser coming up shortly a story about

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this incredible object seen in China or

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something and then they go to about four

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segments each of which is promoting this

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particular segment before you actually

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see it I mean that's even worse than

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bait-and-switch oh of course they all do

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that and it's done right across the

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board I'm watching a street Channel

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right now and they're doing the show in

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ancient aliens I feel the same thing

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yeah how it goes how it goes okay now in

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files from the edge how does this book

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differ from your previous works well you

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know all of my previous works have dealt

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with they were all orientated or focused

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more or less around the UFO phenomena

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over the years I've collected a number

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of cases which I just filed away I mean

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files you know so the book really deals

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with other aspects of paranormal

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experience other than UFO sightings even

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though UFOs

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considered a paranormal experience you

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know many there are many cases that

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border around it that have come to my

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attention over the years and this is

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where files of the edge came files from

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the edge came from there are more or

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less cases that were high strangeness in

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character that have just been put away

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in my like my library okay now are these

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cases that you actually when the scene

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to investigate reports that you dealt

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with by checking out letters and library

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information or by telephone calls how do

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you separate them both you know all of

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the above some cases were investigated

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by library you know and making phone

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calls and some of the cases I was out

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there in person investigating in person

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especially if occurred if it occurs

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within let's say driving distance you

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know I'm not going to pass that up no

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matter what you do talk on the phone or

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whatever you're really not going to get

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a good grasp of the case unless you're

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in the field doing it and talking to the

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witnesses face to face does that also

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help you find evidence as possible

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deception on the part of some witnesses

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all right you know it does it does it's

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easier to tell deception if you're there

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in person but you know you have to ask

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yourself you know if this person is

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telling you a fabrication what are they

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trying to achieve here yeah what are

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they trying what's the motivation what

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are they trying to achieve for

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themselves and you know in some cases

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you know I've had people saying you know

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well you know I think this would make a

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good TV show or this would make a good

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chapter in a book or this would make us

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so answer one particular individual

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asked me you know he told me a story and

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it's a fantastic story incredible story

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and you know and you know anyone it's

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we'll talk about the $10,000 but first

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little bit of lunch money we're talking

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to Philip and Brock no author of a

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number of books including files from the

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edge the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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we have Philip in brog no he's author of

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you're in the power cast Chris you have

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the floor

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well I I find it very fascinating that

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someone should actually pump you dough

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for ten thousand dollars to divulge

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would wring Big Ben Big Ben's Bell in my

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book Phil one thing that I really want

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to talk about here I think early on in

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our you know our show here is is the

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wonderful area the geographic area that

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you have done most of your your

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investigative work in and that is the

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Hudson Valley region going up the

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tri-state area of Connecticut New York

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and New Jersey one thing that I should

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say before we before I ask my question

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and that is I really do have a sense

662
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that there are areas on our planet that

663
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seem to be magnets or seemed to be

664
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doorways or portal areas for unusual

665
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events and they seem to cluster around

666
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there you know variety and intensity

667
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that you don't find elsewhere the San

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Luis Valley where I did 13 years of

669
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investigative work within the field I

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consider to be one of those areas I have

671
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a suspicion that you also feel that the

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Hudson Valley region is an area as I'm

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describing and if you would tell us your

674
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feelings about this and how you've come

675
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how you've come to your conclusions uh

676
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yeah you know the Hudson Valley area has

677
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been rich in folklore for you know

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scores and scores of years ever since

679
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colonial days in pre-colonial days I

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mean you know in the Catskills you have

681
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stories of gnomes who come from another

682
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world into our world every 20 20 22

683
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years and and also you have all of these

684
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legends of beings that occasionally pop

685
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in out of nowhere recently there were

686
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:23,030
Bigfoot sightings and the Catskills and

687
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the creatures just disappear well you

688
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:27,740
know my conclusions at the Hudson Valley

689
00:29:32,419 --> 00:29:30,890
are portal areas it comes from basically

690
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from the UFO and

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Asians that I've done and you know back

692
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:38,490
in the 1980s I really didn't consider

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you know the idea of portals to another

694
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reality there were all of these

695
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sightings taking place and you know and

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and there were so many sightings taking

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place that I was able to plot them on a

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map and I noticed that there was a

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starting point or emanation point from a

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planarian Putnam County and it seems

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that the sightings took place there the

702
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first sightings in the last sighting

703
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took place there and you have this burst

704
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of all of this type of paranormal

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phenomena that was associated with this

706
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and it seems that every time before you

707
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have a massive number of UFO sightings

708
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you see paranormal events in an area

709
00:30:25,879 --> 00:30:23,190
break out and when the UFOs disappear

710
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you also see paranormal events break out

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again it's if a doors opening and

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closing like cold air coming through in

713
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the wintertime but it may be really

714
00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:35,129
think about it when Allen Hynek said to

715
00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:38,190
me and I asked him well you know what's

716
00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:40,139
going on here why do we have so many

717
00:30:46,129 --> 00:30:43,080
sightings in here and he said to me look

718
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,139
for portals look for windows he believed

719
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that you know the UFOs most of them were

720
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from another reality windows from

721
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another reality and over the years you

722
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know since that time I've collected

723
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:58,740
enough reports about things going on in

724
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this area in the Hudson Valley area

725
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which is a pretty vast area by the way

726
00:31:13,399 --> 00:31:08,389
to convince me that you know this area

727
00:31:16,639 --> 00:31:13,409
here actually at times connects with the

728
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multi-dimensional universe and that

729
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,049
there are multiple dimensions that open

730
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:22,200
up these portals where entities or

731
00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:23,850
beings or UFOs or what do you want to

732
00:31:28,249 --> 00:31:25,830
call them different types of phenomena

733
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:28,259
enter our world and it's probably

734
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:30,210
possible for us to enter their world

735
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even though I think these portals are

736
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,309
one way just like the TV show primeval

737
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:37,679
by the way the British TV show where

738
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,929
they always show creatures leaving and

739
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:42,240
entering some sort of circular portal

740
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:44,340
yeah but you know you know

741
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:46,020
that Hollywood and stuff I don't even

742
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,700
know if we could see these portals

743
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:49,919
because they exist in a dimensional

744
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:53,370
state we have to do the moves I learned

745
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:56,520
tween you know we have to differentiate

746
00:32:02,810 --> 00:31:59,820
between a wormhole in a portal okay

747
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:02,820
portals connect other dimensions to us

748
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,700
or wormholes connect all the universes

749
00:32:10,460 --> 00:32:08,159
parallel universes to us and there's two

750
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:10,470
different things here wormholes require

751
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:12,510
a considerable amount of energy to

752
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:16,830
create and portals happen when you know

753
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,470
the space-time sort of thing between the

754
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:21,960
dimensions is bended sort of like a hose

755
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you know if you have a hose and you hold

756
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it out straight you know you're on top

757
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:27,929
of one part of the hose and that's your

758
00:32:32,779 --> 00:32:30,330
dimension however if we curve it around

759
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:32,789
you know all of a sudden you know your

760
00:32:39,019 --> 00:32:36,210
dimensional area has changed so the

761
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:39,029
actual aspect of space may actually Bend

762
00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:42,419
from time to time allowing allowing a

763
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:45,860
closeby dimension to merge in with ours

764
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:48,779
well I have a question how do you

765
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:52,169
differentiate or but that's probably the

766
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,950
wrong word how do you determine where

767
00:33:00,500 --> 00:32:58,320
these portals are are they consistent

768
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,510
are they static in terms of their

769
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,120
location do they move and and how do you

770
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:06,080
determine or what would you say are the

771
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:09,480
geophysical elements that may somehow

772
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,010
come into play here what you're

773
00:33:16,010 --> 00:33:12,960
describing to me sounds like if you take

774
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:16,020
taffy and stretch it you know you holds

775
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:20,039
them develop and to me a portal is is is

776
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:22,980
like a place where the reality gets thin

777
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:25,350
and transparent and impossibly even

778
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,110
breaks and allows for an opening have

779
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:31,320
you seen any sort of location specific

780
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:35,399
areas that are static or do these these

781
00:33:43,389 --> 00:33:39,570
portal windowed areas do they move what

782
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:43,399
is your thinking on that I believe that

783
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:46,500
there are a number of portal areas that

784
00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:48,510
say in the Hudson Valley and that they

785
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:52,380
are active all the time I think it's

786
00:33:56,669 --> 00:33:55,289
almost impossible to predict because we

787
00:33:59,850 --> 00:33:56,679
don't know enough about

788
00:34:02,639 --> 00:33:59,860
this type of phenomenon which you know

789
00:34:07,859 --> 00:34:02,649
is theoretically possible in the new

790
00:34:10,859 --> 00:34:07,869
physics what I did is that when after I

791
00:34:12,809 --> 00:34:10,869
plotted all the UFO sightings I noticed

792
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:12,819
that they were centralized and they

793
00:34:16,409 --> 00:34:14,710
stretch out over a certain area and so

794
00:34:18,329 --> 00:34:16,419
on and so on but also you know I

795
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:18,339
collected these cases of high

796
00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:21,490
strangeness and later on I took another

797
00:34:26,129 --> 00:34:24,460
map and plotted those cases and they

798
00:34:28,549 --> 00:34:26,139
were not spread out over the Hudson

799
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:28,559
Valley to tri-state area they were

800
00:34:35,369 --> 00:34:32,740
concentrated in particular areas on very

801
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,379
small areas less than about a half a

802
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:37,359
kilometer in some cases a kilometer

803
00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:41,710
across and they were clustered and the

804
00:34:46,409 --> 00:34:43,899
next step of course would be to go out

805
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:46,419
there and see what you can find

806
00:34:54,270 --> 00:34:51,369
in every case in the Hudson Valley every

807
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,280
time I went out there I found what was

808
00:35:00,990 --> 00:34:56,220
considered wood is still considered now

809
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:01,000
a carve standing stone an ancient stone

810
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:03,010
structure that seemed to mark these

811
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:05,410
areas someone was doing it a long time

812
00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:09,240
ago so you know the thing is is that

813
00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:12,460
it's almost impossible to locate these

814
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:14,440
portals just by you know seeing where

815
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:16,930
UFOs appear because the UFOs could come

816
00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:18,940
out of these portals and travel

817
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:23,260
distances so I was lucky because I had

818
00:35:28,799 --> 00:35:27,040
enough data from investigating all of

819
00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:28,809
these reports that were coming to my

820
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attentions like having your own

821
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laboratory controlled area in your

822
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backyard so I have enough data to

823
00:35:44,849 --> 00:35:39,910
actually plot the locations of these

824
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:44,859
areas of high strangeness now we noticed

825
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:47,530
and I noticed that there were seven

826
00:35:54,059 --> 00:35:50,440
major areas in the Hudson Valley and

827
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they really concentrated around well

828
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Putnam County Dutchess County and upper

829
00:36:02,490 --> 00:35:59,319
Westchester County there are also cases

830
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:02,500
taking apart taking place on the west

831
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:05,170
side of the Hudson but you know this was

832
00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:07,660
enough work already you know I haven't

833
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:09,940
really even dealt with those

834
00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:12,250
yeah on the west side of the husband in

835
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:16,660
Ellenville and Pine Bush and so on so we

836
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:19,569
have seven locations here that were

837
00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:21,750
clustered with these highest ranges and

838
00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:25,420
when we went out to each location like I

839
00:36:30,089 --> 00:36:28,270
said we found an ancient stone structure

840
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:30,099
which is a whole different story which

841
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:31,990
is the product of one of my books called

842
00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:35,950
Celtic ministries in New England but

843
00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:40,300
these areas were built on intense

844
00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:43,000
magnetic anomalies I think I'll look

845
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:44,920
into more of that in a moment here we

846
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have Phil and Brock no author of the

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book files from the edge the co-host is

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Chris O'Brien on gene Steinberg you're

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for you remember food will be your

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691 to 608 today tired of searching for

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great talk-radio search no more I polled

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it it has everything we are the gcn

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00:41:15,809 --> 00:41:12,670
radio networks hi this is Don Ecker and

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00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:15,819
you are tuned into the para cast let me

957
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:17,710
tell you what you're going to hear stuff

958
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:20,470
here that you probably won't hear

959
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:23,760
anywhere else hear that George snoring

960
00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:27,040
we have Phil Umbraco author of files

961
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:29,380
from the edge subtitled a paranormal

962
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:32,170
investigators explorations into high

963
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,790
strangeness which is very much what

964
00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:35,680
we're discussing our co-host is Chris

965
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:38,470
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg during the

966
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:41,530
para cast now I had one question here

967
00:41:47,069 --> 00:41:43,410
from one of our forum members we have

968
00:41:48,990 --> 00:41:47,079
forum dot the para cast com where we

969
00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:49,000
have like a hundred thousand messages

970
00:41:53,849 --> 00:41:50,980
from our listeners we talked about a

971
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,859
variety of subjects and I posted a

972
00:41:58,349 --> 00:41:55,359
thread in there because I wanted people

973
00:42:00,270 --> 00:41:58,359
if they had some questions to ask you

974
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:00,280
those questions here's one of them here

975
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:03,730
which is is it possible that electronic

976
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,040
interference from a power station surges

977
00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:08,319
might cause some kind of magnetic

978
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,240
radiation that causes people to be

979
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:15,280
impacted in terms of their brain waves

980
00:42:19,859 --> 00:42:16,930
so they perceive things that really

981
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:19,869
aren't there hmm interesting question

982
00:42:24,839 --> 00:42:22,150
because I've heard of this before and it

983
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:24,849
does seem that you know when human

984
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:28,540
beings go into areas that have intense

985
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:30,130
magnetic anomalies there is a

986
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:32,410
physiological effect and you know there

987
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:35,650
is a psychological effect now people who

988
00:42:40,799 --> 00:42:38,230
are brought into these areas not even

989
00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:40,809
telling them what I found with the

990
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:43,329
magnetometers not all them but the

991
00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:45,849
majority of people all of a sudden feel

992
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:46,660
pressure

993
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:48,540
their head they start getting a headache

994
00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:51,850
some of them feel nauseous some of them

995
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:54,390
start feeling dizzy you know these are

996
00:42:58,740 --> 00:42:56,890
effects that you see over and over again

997
00:43:01,170 --> 00:42:58,750
and it's been documented over and over

998
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:01,180
again in my research but getting back to

999
00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:03,310
these areas you know they're these areas

1000
00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:05,740
were sitting on magnetic anomalies and

1001
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:09,400
the thing is is that the exact center of

1002
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:11,770
the highest range in this area was not a

1003
00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:14,350
positive magnetic anomaly it was

1004
00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:16,600
surrounded by a positive magnetic

1005
00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:20,200
anomaly okay so can we possibly consider

1006
00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:22,600
the suggestion that some of these things

1007
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:26,320
are based on a natural phenomenon the

1008
00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:28,150
magnetic anomaly not something that's

1009
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,460
high strangeness well you know that's

1010
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:32,560
always a possibility with some people

1011
00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:34,990
reporting certain things but you know if

1012
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:38,080
you have for example people seeing

1013
00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:42,240
apparitions people seeing enormous

1014
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:45,070
lighted objects that you know come along

1015
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:47,770
the road spook like sort of phenomena I

1016
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:50,140
mean you know you have to consider that

1017
00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:52,330
it's seen over and over again by

1018
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:54,340
multiple witnesses that are independent

1019
00:43:59,820 --> 00:43:56,770
of each other also you know whether or

1020
00:44:01,500 --> 00:43:59,830
not it's some natural phenomena I have

1021
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:01,510
it's a natural phenomena if it's from

1022
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:03,130
another dimension it's a natural

1023
00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:05,890
phenomena I mean you know but one of the

1024
00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:07,900
things that people have a tendency to do

1025
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,060
when they when they relate a paranormal

1026
00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:12,400
experience they associated with a

1027
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,680
supernatural I just think we're looking

1028
00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:16,960
at certain things in science and forces

1029
00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:17,830
and so on

1030
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:20,620
that we don't fully understand yet so

1031
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,420
you know we do a lot of hocus pocus

1032
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:25,440
about it do you see a parallel between

1033
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:28,510
the close proximity of let's say maximum

1034
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:30,610
magnetic field strength in close

1035
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:32,830
proximity to minimum intensity field

1036
00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:34,450
strength I definitely did in the San

1037
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:37,180
Luis Valley yes and and this is what I'm

1038
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:39,250
trying to point out to you know certain

1039
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,660
people that I'm researching what they

1040
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,640
don't understand is that you have this

1041
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:45,040
high magnetic anomaly it practically

1042
00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:48,730
goes off the chart and then in the

1043
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:51,340
center there it drops down into these

1044
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:53,770
locations where there's a negative

1045
00:44:58,210 --> 00:44:57,250
magnetic anomaly going well below the

1046
00:45:00,670 --> 00:44:58,220
actual

1047
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,680
normal reading of the Earth's magnetic

1048
00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:03,440
field there and there's a desert

1049
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:06,020
geological answer for that up here is

1050
00:45:12,820 --> 00:45:08,750
that most of the areas where these high

1051
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:12,830
strangeness things occur are sitting on

1052
00:45:19,089 --> 00:45:16,160
top of enormous deposits of quartzite

1053
00:45:21,609 --> 00:45:19,099
and magnetite I mean so this is why you

1054
00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:21,619
have the anomaly so we know that the

1055
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:24,020
anomaly is causing something there and

1056
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:27,530
it possibly could be causing at times

1057
00:45:34,810 --> 00:45:31,760
the spending of space allowing these

1058
00:45:35,650 --> 00:45:34,820
portals to exist and this phenomena to

1059
00:45:38,050 --> 00:45:35,660
enter our world

1060
00:45:39,970 --> 00:45:38,060
okay now the skeptic would drop in here

1061
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,980
the skeptical viewpoint we want to

1062
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:41,900
address this because we should would

1063
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:44,480
suggest okay if you have magnetic

1064
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:46,670
anomalies maybe this is all caused by

1065
00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:49,010
illusions where's the evidence that it's

1066
00:45:52,839 --> 00:45:51,080
something more than just an illusion

1067
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:52,849
people seeing things

1068
00:45:58,839 --> 00:45:55,550
well illusions can't be photographed or

1069
00:46:01,900 --> 00:45:58,849
videotaped or or so on and so on and

1070
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,910
regularly physical trace elements right

1071
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:04,640
and you know so but there are certain

1072
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:06,050
things that take place at these

1073
00:46:10,990 --> 00:46:08,810
locations that do have seemed to have a

1074
00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:11,000
psychic effect which can't be measured

1075
00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:12,920
so the thing you have the answer to

1076
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,190
yourself or find out is that is just

1077
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:18,560
self induced because you know the brain

1078
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,660
is misfiring because of the magnetic

1079
00:46:26,859 --> 00:46:23,359
fields people seem visions for example

1080
00:46:29,470 --> 00:46:26,869
or hearing voices so what you have to do

1081
00:46:32,829 --> 00:46:29,480
is you have to take into account that it

1082
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:32,839
does happen over and over again and you

1083
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:34,910
know and basically you know people are

1084
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,310
reporting the same thing even though I

1085
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:38,960
do think that some of its over

1086
00:46:43,630 --> 00:46:41,930
exaggerated what interests me is the

1087
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:43,640
reports that you run where someone

1088
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:46,130
encounters something really strange at

1089
00:46:50,829 --> 00:46:48,770
one location and it seems to follow them

1090
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,839
which obviously takes them out of this

1091
00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:53,359
so-called portal area and that becomes

1092
00:46:58,990 --> 00:46:55,160
more and more intriguing and frightening

1093
00:47:00,970 --> 00:46:59,000
can you mention one or two cases quickly

1094
00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:00,980
enough to we'll see how this is

1095
00:47:06,099 --> 00:47:03,380
expressed in terms of being followed by

1096
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:06,109
the phenomena yeah well it does people

1097
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:07,490
go out in the area and they have

1098
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:08,930
experience that they have these Close

1099
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:10,970
Encounters they have these something

1100
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:13,910
counters with these hooded little hooded

1101
00:47:19,570 --> 00:47:17,410
beings and so on or light phenomena

1102
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,580
after they have their experience they

1103
00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:21,680
seem to have experiences over and over

1104
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:23,540
again as if it follows them home or

1105
00:47:27,850 --> 00:47:25,970
follows into their house in starts

1106
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:27,860
appearing yeah we're doing I may be to

1107
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:29,330
whatever it is it sounds like it's an

1108
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,640
intelligent as something you know and

1109
00:47:35,890 --> 00:47:34,160
it's fascinated with the human being so

1110
00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:35,900
it's following them home it attached

1111
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:38,060
themselves to them this has happened

1112
00:47:43,330 --> 00:47:40,010
over and over again

1113
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:43,340
and what's behind it I don't know I mean

1114
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:45,650
some people who have never had an

1115
00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:48,170
experience the UFO paranormal experience

1116
00:47:53,290 --> 00:47:50,390
they want to go out to these areas for

1117
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:53,300
example in you know see something this

1118
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,710
is what they wanted when they do see

1119
00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:56,480
something and they get terrified and

1120
00:48:01,930 --> 00:47:59,570
they continue to have experiences after

1121
00:48:03,610 --> 00:48:01,940
that not in the area where they

1122
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:03,620
originally have the sighting or the

1123
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:05,690
encounter but they start seeing things

1124
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:08,270
in their home also well do you see a

1125
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:09,770
correlation between their emotional

1126
00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:11,330
state you mentioned they were terrified

1127
00:48:15,580 --> 00:48:13,430
now do you see do you see some sort of

1128
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:15,590
correlation between people who have what

1129
00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:16,970
they perceive as a negative or a

1130
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:19,060
frightening experience more prone to

1131
00:48:24,540 --> 00:48:21,650
picking up some sort of hitchhiker and

1132
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:24,550
bringing them home or is this is this

1133
00:48:28,510 --> 00:48:26,630
just something that doesn't have any

1134
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:28,520
rhyme or reason to it you know really

1135
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:30,050
doesn't have any Ryan Murray's and I

1136
00:48:35,170 --> 00:48:32,330
dish it depends upon the individual and

1137
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,180
house you as you look at it yeah some

1138
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:37,040
people you know to them this is

1139
00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:39,050
something you read about on TV this is

1140
00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:40,220
something you read about in the book

1141
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:42,260
it's not a reality until you have an

1142
00:48:47,110 --> 00:48:44,330
experience you're themselves and then it

1143
00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:47,120
becomes very real to you and all of a

1144
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:49,070
sudden their view of reality change so

1145
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:51,530
the thing you have to ask yourself did

1146
00:49:00,670 --> 00:48:54,710
the encounters that took place later on

1147
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:00,680
are they real or are they just created

1148
00:49:07,450 --> 00:49:05,330
after having a paranormal experience you

1149
00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:07,460
know we really don't know I mean there

1150
00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:11,870
were a number of places where houses

1151
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:14,030
were being if people who live in a house

1152
00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:16,130
we're having all this phenomena taking

1153
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:17,390
place

1154
00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:19,370
they went out to an area they had a

1155
00:49:23,350 --> 00:49:21,500
sighting and they had an encounter with

1156
00:49:25,390 --> 00:49:23,360
some strange being and all of a sudden

1157
00:49:27,610 --> 00:49:25,400
starts appearing in their house with

1158
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:27,620
them and of course you know a number of

1159
00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:29,150
cases I went out there through the house

1160
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:33,140
and didn't see anything and but when I

1161
00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:35,330
leave I get a call saying you know it

1162
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,820
happened again and of course you have to

1163
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:40,400
consider that whatever and whoever is

1164
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:41,930
there is not going to put on a show for

1165
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:45,740
me but it seems to be selective to

1166
00:49:54,250 --> 00:49:49,730
certain individuals after that sounds

1167
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:54,260
like the trickster to me Todd yeah which

1168
00:49:59,170 --> 00:49:56,930
kind of leads me to another question

1169
00:50:01,600 --> 00:49:59,180
here you have a short mention here and

1170
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:01,610
files from the edge about the trickster

1171
00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:04,930
who you actually named as a potential

1172
00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:09,020
force or or element here most the time

1173
00:50:13,450 --> 00:50:11,350
when you read books by keel or ballet

1174
00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:13,460
some of the phenomenal events are

1175
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,470
described as trickster ish but very

1176
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:17,680
rarely have I seen somebody actually

1177
00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:19,850
finger the trickster as being a

1178
00:50:24,670 --> 00:50:22,700
potential you know element in a case or

1179
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:24,680
or in a series of cases what what are

1180
00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:26,300
your feelings about a potential

1181
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,680
collective manifestation that could be

1182
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:32,960
described architect as a trickster

1183
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:38,450
figure well you know in the area up here

1184
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,330
the idea of the trickster goes back to

1185
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:44,000
Native Americans hundreds of years ago

1186
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:46,700
certain areas were up here that we're

1187
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:48,980
seeing UFOs today and people are seeing

1188
00:50:54,190 --> 00:50:51,130
alien beings see people are seeing

1189
00:50:57,490 --> 00:50:54,200
creatures and so on these are

1190
00:50:59,680 --> 00:50:57,500
particularly high strangeness areas some

1191
00:51:02,380 --> 00:50:59,690
of them were once Native American sacred

1192
00:51:06,670 --> 00:51:02,390
ground which they said was the home of a

1193
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:06,680
trickster and you know we see this

1194
00:51:12,340 --> 00:51:08,870
element over and over again in the

1195
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:12,350
paranormal and if you have to consider

1196
00:51:17,110 --> 00:51:16,340
that if all of these other dimensions

1197
00:51:19,540 --> 00:51:17,120
exist

1198
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:19,550
close by dimension to us another reality

1199
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:22,850
as dr. Hynek used to say in that other

1200
00:51:28,930 --> 00:51:26,420
reality there may be intelligent beings

1201
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:28,940
that have been interacting with the

1202
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,730
human race

1203
00:51:34,310 --> 00:51:31,680
for who knows how long I think what

1204
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:34,320
we'll get into these other dimensions in

1205
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,810
our next segment we have Philip and Brad

1206
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:38,880
no author of files from the edge the

1207
00:51:50,810 --> 00:51:41,460
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1208
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:50,820
Steinberger in the para cast hi this is

1209
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:52,710
Ted Anderson if you own an Apple iPhone

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1222
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:21,690
this is ted Anderson have you ever

1223
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:23,250
wondered why banks stockbrokers

1224
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,900
investment advisors won't talk about

1225
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,720
gold IRAs they've been available since

1226
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:29,280
1986 yet the financial industry won't

1227
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:31,050
recognize the value of gold for your

1228
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:33,000
attire meant gold has outperformed paper

1229
00:52:36,859 --> 00:52:35,369
investments yet no word about IRAs if

1230
00:52:40,580 --> 00:52:36,869
you would like to have gold for your

1231
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:40,590
retirement call 866 2 2 3 7 don't get

1232
00:52:46,460 --> 00:52:42,450
left behind by rising inflation and low

1233
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:46,470
returns call 866 2 2 3 7 secure your

1234
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:54,140
[Music]

1235
00:52:59,790 --> 00:52:57,010
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

1236
00:53:04,460 --> 00:52:59,800
standard of paranormal radio and now

1237
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:10,940
[Music]

1238
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,650
we have filum brog no offer files from

1239
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,440
the edge.a paranormal investigators

1240
00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:19,839
explorations into high strangeness and

1241
00:53:24,569 --> 00:53:22,030
we're dealing with that right now the

1242
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:24,579
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1243
00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:27,369
Steinberger and the para cast before we

1244
00:53:32,579 --> 00:53:30,190
split for that particular pause in our

1245
00:53:35,339 --> 00:53:32,589
action here Phil we were talking about

1246
00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:35,349
the impact of other dimensions but at

1247
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:37,150
the beginning of your book you have kind

1248
00:53:43,319 --> 00:53:40,510
of a short science lecture about what

1249
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:43,329
other dimensions signify maybe give our

1250
00:53:47,460 --> 00:53:45,910
listeners kind of a brief summary of

1251
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:47,470
this before Chris picks up on the

1252
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,650
questioning okay well you know will be

1253
00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:52,480
called theoretical physics today was

1254
00:53:57,839 --> 00:53:55,720
science fiction few years of junk I mean

1255
00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:57,849
this is nothing new science fiction

1256
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,650
writers were telling us that there were

1257
00:54:03,450 --> 00:54:01,359
these other dimensions other parallel

1258
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:03,460
universes before they started showing up

1259
00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:05,890
in the equations of the theoretical

1260
00:54:11,549 --> 00:54:09,640
physicists and really in a nutshell you

1261
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:11,559
know there's many different views of the

1262
00:54:16,410 --> 00:54:14,290
universe and the first thing we have is

1263
00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:16,420
we have a parallel universe and a

1264
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:20,470
parallel universe is our universe is all

1265
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,540
the galaxies and everything contained

1266
00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:24,880
and sort of like a bubble but there are

1267
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:26,740
other universes out there with enough

1268
00:54:30,210 --> 00:54:28,690
matter that also curve it around and

1269
00:54:34,650 --> 00:54:30,220
make these bubble something imagine

1270
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:34,660
small parts of soap bubbles and some of

1271
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:36,250
these bubbles sometimes stick together

1272
00:54:42,270 --> 00:54:39,910
as you blow the bubbles these bubbles

1273
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:42,280
that are joined to each other are

1274
00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:45,160
parallel universes and at times they're

1275
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:48,520
connected through wormholes now in each

1276
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:51,760
of these bubble universes each one of

1277
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,569
them there are at least 11 dimensions in

1278
00:55:00,720 --> 00:54:57,520
other words we're in the third dimension

1279
00:55:03,089 --> 00:55:00,730
here but they're telling us now there

1280
00:55:05,339 --> 00:55:03,099
are other dimensions within the physical

1281
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:05,349
universe these are areas where spirits

1282
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:08,650
live or you know all this you know stuff

1283
00:55:12,510 --> 00:55:10,390
here that people are talking about in

1284
00:55:16,349 --> 00:55:12,520
the psychic realm these are actual

1285
00:55:20,579 --> 00:55:16,359
physical spaces physical worlds physical

1286
00:55:22,650 --> 00:55:20,589
places that exist in the same area but

1287
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:22,660
sort of like a

1288
00:55:28,019 --> 00:55:26,049
another angle from us an angle we can't

1289
00:55:30,089 --> 00:55:28,029
turn to when you walk around in your

1290
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:30,099
room you're walking along three

1291
00:55:35,819 --> 00:55:32,529
dimensional space but in that room also

1292
00:55:38,759 --> 00:55:35,829
are other dimensions which you cannot

1293
00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:38,769
turn to because you're locked in to your

1294
00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:42,940
own physical spacial area but these

1295
00:55:48,089 --> 00:55:45,700
other areas exists at a right angle to a

1296
00:55:51,259 --> 00:55:48,099
right angle maybe an area that you can't

1297
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:51,269
see you can't turn to walk into so

1298
00:55:56,579 --> 00:55:54,490
imagine that the multiverse there's no

1299
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:56,589
privacy in the multiverse because in

1300
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,210
that room there could be a multitude of

1301
00:56:03,509 --> 00:56:00,400
beings and other dimensions maybe they

1302
00:56:05,249 --> 00:56:03,519
can perceive you maybe they can't but at

1303
00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:05,259
times it sounds like they do visit

1304
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:08,980
people oh boy then that would make daddy

1305
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:12,640
a paranoid girl suppose off exactly I

1306
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:14,170
was going to say we could have

1307
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:16,089
multi-dimensional peeping toms all over

1308
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,930
the place well that could be the case

1309
00:56:23,339 --> 00:56:20,799
because you know if you talk about

1310
00:56:26,730 --> 00:56:23,349
shadow people these people seeing these

1311
00:56:28,769 --> 00:56:26,740
images coming in at night to me these

1312
00:56:31,319 --> 00:56:28,779
represent other dimensional beings

1313
00:56:32,970 --> 00:56:31,329
pressing against the fabric of the

1314
00:56:35,549 --> 00:56:32,980
dimension which they seem to have the

1315
00:56:39,690 --> 00:56:35,559
ability we only see them as they shadows

1316
00:56:42,749 --> 00:56:39,700
now imagine a sheet hanging out there on

1317
00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:42,759
a line that's pulled very tight if a

1318
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:44,470
person gets on the other side of sheet

1319
00:56:48,809 --> 00:56:46,690
and presses up against a sheet you only

1320
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:48,819
see the outline of the person you can't

1321
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:51,210
see who it is or their facial features

1322
00:56:56,849 --> 00:56:54,910
these cases of shadow people which I've

1323
00:56:59,819 --> 00:56:56,859
investigated quite a few I have quite a

1324
00:57:02,490 --> 00:56:59,829
few reports in the Hudson Valley they

1325
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:02,500
seem to be dimensional beings that are

1326
00:57:06,539 --> 00:57:04,150
interested in certain people and

1327
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:06,549
watching them observing them for

1328
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:08,950
whatever reason I don't know but we only

1329
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:12,609
see their images point pressing up

1330
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,130
against the dimensional barrier their

1331
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,200
silhouette their outline right well I

1332
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:19,359
want to remind our listeners here that

1333
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:21,490
we're not you know we're talking with

1334
00:57:25,019 --> 00:57:22,690
someone who has advanced degrees and

1335
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:25,029
those Sciences astronomy and chemistry

1336
00:57:32,460 --> 00:57:28,809
so I I do take your the thumbnail sketch

1337
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:32,470
of of the multiverse scenario I do take

1338
00:57:36,610 --> 00:57:33,290
it as an import

1339
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:36,620
opinion and and I do I do agree with you

1340
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:39,650
in in this regard one of the things that

1341
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:42,680
I noticed reading the book is you

1342
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:43,970
mentioned some very interesting

1343
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:46,130
scenarios that involved underground

1344
00:57:53,980 --> 00:57:50,930
cavern systems and mines that existed

1345
00:57:56,830 --> 00:57:53,990
back in the 1800s that secretly have

1346
00:58:00,190 --> 00:57:56,840
been expanded by by what appears to be

1347
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:00,200
some sort of governmental presence do

1348
00:58:03,450 --> 00:58:01,370
you want to go into that a little bit I

1349
00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:03,460
know you've had some pretty interesting

1350
00:58:08,530 --> 00:58:07,100
investigations that have to do with some

1351
00:58:11,710 --> 00:58:08,540
of the underground scenario they're in

1352
00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:11,720
the area oh yeah you know and I actually

1353
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,060
get into that in greater detail I have a

1354
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:16,640
book coming out in December called ultra

1355
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:20,480
terrestrial contacts and I get into the

1356
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:22,610
underground tunnels in greater detail

1357
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:26,720
but in several of these areas in the

1358
00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:29,150
Hudson Valley where these magnetic

1359
00:58:34,530 --> 00:58:32,420
anomalies exist are the areas are

1360
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:34,540
catacomb by underground tunnels and

1361
00:58:39,250 --> 00:58:37,130
these tunnels were originally used

1362
00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:39,260
during colonial times going into the

1363
00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:41,870
nineteenth century from mining out iron

1364
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:45,950
ore as a result many legends have been

1365
00:58:50,290 --> 00:58:47,990
built around them I mean the folklore

1366
00:58:53,710 --> 00:58:50,300
around these tunnels is unbelievable

1367
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:53,720
that date back to the the early 19th

1368
00:59:00,400 --> 00:58:57,110
century and late 18th century about

1369
00:59:03,580 --> 00:59:00,410
globes of light strange hooded beings we

1370
00:59:08,050 --> 00:59:03,590
know for a fact that at the turn of the

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00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:08,060
century a turn of the 20th century one a

1372
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:11,900
group of local devil worshipers actually

1373
00:59:18,010 --> 00:59:14,390
took one of these tunnels and used to

1374
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:18,020
perform rituals in them and according to

1375
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:20,510
what I can find out and the local

1376
00:59:25,150 --> 00:59:22,970
archives here is that the local sheriff

1377
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:25,160
at the time and back then that area

1378
00:59:29,350 --> 00:59:27,050
Putnam County Brewster New York

1379
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:29,360
southeast New York only had a sheriff we

1380
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:31,250
have a sheriff today but it's involved

1381
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:34,310
policemen they actually said they dealt

1382
00:59:38,980 --> 00:59:36,770
with them and there's no more mention of

1383
00:59:42,060 --> 00:59:38,990
them it's almost you know it seems like

1384
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:42,070
you know a hanging was done for some

1385
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:45,310
because they were accused of for a

1386
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:47,980
number of children who disappeared over

1387
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:50,530
the years in that area even though there

1388
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:52,770
was no evidence but the thing is is that

1389
00:59:59,040 --> 00:59:56,050
these people used to dress up with hoods

1390
00:59:59,760 --> 00:59:59,050
and we don't exactly know how many of

1391
01:00:02,730 --> 00:59:59,770
them there were

1392
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,740
but in that area and no one knows of

1393
01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:04,480
this this is like one of the best-kept

1394
01:00:08,610 --> 01:00:06,580
secrets in that area people have gone

1395
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,620
out to those areas where the mines are

1396
01:00:12,570 --> 01:00:10,480
and where all of these UFOs are being

1397
01:00:15,690 --> 01:00:12,580
spotted in the magnetic anomalies occur

1398
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:15,700
and have seen hood it beans on the road

1399
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:19,900
a bear of striking resemblance to the

1400
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:23,440
way these cultists used to dress up back

1401
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:26,710
in like 1901 now the thing is is that

1402
01:00:33,150 --> 01:00:29,410
all of these underground passages exist

1403
01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:33,160
most of them have been filled up and the

1404
01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:35,560
strange thing is is that downtown

1405
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:39,880
Brewster it's being built up it's a

1406
01:00:44,820 --> 01:00:42,700
growing town people are moving in there

1407
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:44,830
the old residents have disappeared

1408
01:00:49,170 --> 01:00:46,990
practically but a lot of people who

1409
01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:49,180
bought those old houses don't realize

1410
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:51,100
that their basement connects to an

1411
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:53,110
underground tunnel and a network of

1412
01:00:58,770 --> 01:00:55,330
tunnels on the ground these people have

1413
01:01:01,410 --> 01:00:58,780
no idea that right under the town

1414
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:01,420
it's catacombs by underground passages

1415
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:04,960
now I've explored all of them in one

1416
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:07,810
particular instance and one of the

1417
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:10,390
entrances to do tunnels it's flooded

1418
01:01:16,220 --> 01:01:13,450
with water and I had to raft in the

1419
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:16,230
tunnels and this is where all of this

1420
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:18,730
phenomena is taking place and everything

1421
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:20,770
I'll tell you it's pretty spooky down

1422
01:01:26,490 --> 01:01:23,290
there because the levels go down to 300

1423
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:26,500
feet well as I put the raft in and I'm

1424
01:01:31,860 --> 01:01:29,710
slowly going down the tunnel the water

1425
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:31,870
is red from the Iron Horse and look

1426
01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:34,570
pretty eerie when the lights reflected

1427
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,120
on it as soon as I go down a tunnel area

1428
01:01:42,330 --> 01:01:39,760
I come to a writing on the wall that

1429
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:42,340
says abandon hope all ye who enter your

1430
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:45,490
own going way to hell this was evidence

1431
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:49,090
to me where these cultists were using

1432
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:50,720
the part

1433
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:54,470
of his mind for their rituals so not

1434
01:02:00,190 --> 01:01:57,490
only did I find the evidence that these

1435
01:02:03,460 --> 01:02:00,200
people existed and they did this thing

1436
01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:03,470
back in 1901 I actually found the area

1437
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:05,720
where they were doing their rituals and

1438
01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:07,369
the water level was right up to the

1439
01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:11,000
writing so it was written when there was

1440
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:14,420
no water in that particular part of the

1441
01:02:19,809 --> 01:02:17,690
tunnel and I'll tell you in there before

1442
01:02:25,059 --> 01:02:19,819
I went in there I went down to New York

1443
01:02:27,609 --> 01:02:25,069
City and I found a map an overlay of all

1444
01:02:30,490 --> 01:02:27,619
the tunnels that were dug there back in

1445
01:02:33,069 --> 01:02:30,500
the mining days from 1780 all the way up

1446
01:02:34,750 --> 01:02:33,079
to 1902 I'll tell you what we get into

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01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:34,760
more event the moment Phil and brog now

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joining us Chris O'Brien is our co-host

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I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

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you are about to enter another dimension

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sinister land of secret rights passwords

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initiations and handshakes but the truth

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remains hidden in history is controlled

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O'Brien is our co-host this week I'm

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gene steinberger in the para cast now

1562
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:44,420
one question occurs to me as you talk

1563
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:47,630
about these tunnels these caverns use

1564
01:07:51,940 --> 01:07:50,450
for various types of rituals is it

1565
01:07:55,690 --> 01:07:51,950
possible they're still doing that

1566
01:07:58,209 --> 01:07:55,700
nowadays in the 21st century I think

1567
01:08:00,579 --> 01:07:58,219
it's very possible but I don't think

1568
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:00,589
that the mines themselves the tunnels

1569
01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:04,609
are being used because you really have

1570
01:08:09,009 --> 01:08:06,859
to understand how difficult they are to

1571
01:08:12,279 --> 01:08:09,019
get into number one because they're

1572
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flooded with water number two is that in

1573
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:14,599
one particular you have to rappel down

1574
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:17,270
150 feet to get to the lower level and

1575
01:08:23,109 --> 01:08:20,330
the amount of oxygen down there is very

1576
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,119
very low when I explored these things a

1577
01:08:27,099 --> 01:08:24,799
little younger than I am now and I was

1578
01:08:29,859 --> 01:08:27,109
in considerably better shape but it was

1579
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,869
even difficult for me to explore these

1580
01:08:37,180 --> 01:08:32,480
things right don't see anyone going in

1581
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:37,190
there today but the thing is is that as

1582
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:40,730
I said I had a map of all the tunnels

1583
01:08:46,839 --> 01:08:43,130
from the New York City Public Library

1584
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:46,849
the mining journals I found tunnels that

1585
01:08:53,499 --> 01:08:49,670
were not on that map that was listed for

1586
01:08:57,579 --> 01:08:53,509
1910 and these tunnels were dug with

1587
01:08:59,079 --> 01:08:57,589
more modern equipment and some of them

1588
01:09:02,200 --> 01:08:59,089
went to dead ends and they were

1589
01:09:03,309 --> 01:09:02,210
collapsed on purpose and covered and one

1590
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:03,319
particular area

1591
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:07,250
I saw evidence of tonga lips going into

1592
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the ground obviously bringing in oxygen

1593
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:11,279
or

1594
01:09:20,150 --> 01:09:16,890
was impossible because he was 300 feet

1595
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:20,160
down and it was flooded with water so

1596
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:23,850
people have been reporting military

1597
01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:25,890
vehicles going into the areas of the

1598
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,380
hills where the mine entrances are have

1599
01:09:32,780 --> 01:09:30,960
seen two new type helicopters and other

1600
01:09:36,019 --> 01:09:32,790
types of helicopters landing in the

1601
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hills and one person a number of people

1602
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:37,740
actually wrote to the New York Post

1603
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:40,890
saying that what's going on up in

1604
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:43,410
Brewster in southeast or some type of

1605
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:46,730
military operation going on underground

1606
01:09:51,140 --> 01:09:49,170
this occurs to me as you talked about

1607
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:51,150
this there's a section in the book where

1608
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:54,150
you go down to explore an area and you

1609
01:09:59,330 --> 01:09:56,970
were basically accosted by the police

1610
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,340
and warned not to go there yeah so

1611
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before I went into the mind I was trying

1612
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,910
to find the location of some of these

1613
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:08,400
places which people were contacting me

1614
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:10,020
saying they're military vehicles going

1615
01:10:15,710 --> 01:10:13,290
into the area so I parked my car and I

1616
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:15,720
started walking up to an area called

1617
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:18,780
upper magnetic mine Road and it was

1618
01:10:24,140 --> 01:10:20,910
blocked off and I saw there's a definite

1619
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:24,150
path coming up there before I even got a

1620
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:27,810
hundred and fifty or 200 feet up the

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01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:29,970
hill the Sheriff's Department came up

1622
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:32,100
and he yelled me and the officers

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01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:33,930
running up that they saying stop and

1624
01:10:39,470 --> 01:10:36,540
he's saying you know you can't go up

1625
01:10:40,970 --> 01:10:39,480
there that's you know secured area and

1626
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:40,980
he really didn't know why he was just

1627
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:42,930
getting orders to get me out of there

1628
01:10:47,810 --> 01:10:45,480
and he actually took me out the route 22

1629
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:47,820
and made sure that I left but actually I

1630
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,090
came back some time later came in

1631
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:54,000
through the back woods and actually

1632
01:11:01,630 --> 01:10:57,570
observed the area and actually saw what

1633
01:11:04,730 --> 01:11:01,640
I thought were paramilitary or or

1634
01:11:06,830 --> 01:11:04,740
intelligence agency people coming up

1635
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:06,840
there staying inside a house that

1636
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:09,690
connected to the mind why did you think

1637
01:11:15,380 --> 01:11:12,570
so that these were paramilitary or

1638
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:15,390
intelligence people well first of all

1639
01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:17,130
they came up in a Jeep and I looked at

1640
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:18,600
the license plates I was up on the hill

1641
01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:21,450
and I had binoculars and although I

1642
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,860
could not see the license plate number

1643
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:23,760
they have

1644
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:25,890
the white with the blue which indicated

1645
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:28,860
the government license plate number

1646
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:32,010
license plates color and looking at

1647
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:34,890
these people I can just tell look at

1648
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:36,420
them they look like hawks

1649
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:37,530
you know you can say you're going to

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01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:39,540
load up your companies in civilian

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01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,250
clothes because they dress the with a

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01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:43,440
certain way people in the intelligence

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01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:45,690
organizations also have certain types of

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01:11:49,460 --> 01:11:47,580
haircuts they have a certain type of

1655
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:49,470
look and they have a certain type of

1656
01:11:54,020 --> 01:11:52,110
posture for them they were obviously

1657
01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:54,030
people with military background who

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01:11:59,480 --> 01:11:56,780
could have been in civilian intelligence

1659
01:12:02,630 --> 01:11:59,490
agencies and having been in the military

1660
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:02,640
six years myself I can spot military

1661
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:04,890
people right away or people who are in

1662
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,690
the military for a certain length of

1663
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:08,880
time they have a certain bearing to them

1664
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:11,340
but they also you know had a number of

1665
01:12:16,490 --> 01:12:13,710
dogs there they had a number of

1666
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:16,500
buildings there later on when I was able

1667
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:19,500
to get into that area obviously after

1668
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:22,290
whoever was in that area after they

1669
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:25,380
pulled out I found the house which these

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01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:27,690
individuals were coming in and out of

1671
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:32,130
and it was completely completely dumped

1672
01:12:36,740 --> 01:12:33,510
with everything ripped out

1673
01:12:40,940 --> 01:12:36,750
I found poles with wires connecting here

1674
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:40,950
for about 50 kilowatts of energy coming

1675
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:43,170
electricity coming into that area

1676
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:46,260
I found garages with all types of

1677
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:48,330
equipment in there that was obviously

1678
01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:51,060
some type of mechanical operation so

1679
01:12:57,130 --> 01:12:53,430
there was somebody in that area there

1680
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:57,140
that had a pretty pretty involved

1681
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,120
operation going on there and since that

1682
01:13:05,660 --> 01:13:02,640
location was right next to the entrance

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01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:05,670
of the underground passageways you know

1684
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:07,170
you put two and two together

1685
01:13:12,230 --> 01:13:09,450
does it things a rather clumsy of them

1686
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:12,240
to abandon this area and leave evidence

1687
01:13:16,220 --> 01:13:14,460
that they were around well they didn't

1688
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:16,230
leave that much evidence you really have

1689
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:18,930
a look for it and analyze the situation

1690
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:21,450
there to find out what type of operation

1691
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,980
was going on there whatever type of

1692
01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:24,960
operation was going on there it involved

1693
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:27,420
a lot of power and it involved a lot of

1694
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:30,900
support the equipment and and when they

1695
01:13:35,729 --> 01:13:33,420
left they trashed as by as much as they

1696
01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:35,739
could and they just pulled out

1697
01:13:42,810 --> 01:13:39,670
so whatever was going on there you know

1698
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:42,820
I don't know but it definitely had

1699
01:13:47,790 --> 01:13:44,830
something to do with the underground

1700
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:47,800
passageways now a little bit of a

1701
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:50,920
frightening thing is that when I finally

1702
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:53,710
was able to get into the underground

1703
01:13:59,729 --> 01:13:56,530
passageways and I rappel down and I was

1704
01:14:02,820 --> 01:13:59,739
taking pictures with my camera which was

1705
01:14:05,670 --> 01:14:02,830
film camera at the time after I took the

1706
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:05,680
number of pictures at 30 feet the 175 to

1707
01:14:11,790 --> 01:14:08,650
200 foot level the passages down there

1708
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:11,800
there's three rows of passages one

1709
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:14,170
underground passages are out down about

1710
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a little about 125 feet another one's

1711
01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:19,870
about a hundred and seventy-five feet

1712
01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:23,560
and the bottom ones down at 300 feet

1713
01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:25,180
which you can't get to because it's

1714
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:27,400
flooded anyway when I developed my

1715
01:14:33,090 --> 01:14:31,570
pictures the entire rolls fog green you

1716
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:33,100
know that means that means it was

1717
01:14:39,150 --> 01:14:34,810
exposed to radiation

1718
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,160
yeah my feeling was is that perhaps the

1719
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,000
United States government was taking

1720
01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:44,800
nuclear waste with nuclear waste or

1721
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:47,350
atomic ways so right now there's no

1722
01:14:51,209 --> 01:14:49,330
active ways and burying it under the

1723
01:14:52,890 --> 01:14:51,219
ground under the iron because they know

1724
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:52,900
the radiation would not reach the

1725
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:55,810
surface and they probably didn't think

1726
01:14:59,370 --> 01:14:57,760
that some idiot like me is going to be

1727
01:15:01,440 --> 01:14:59,380
going down there taking pictures or

1728
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:01,450
looking for something looking for aliens

1729
01:15:04,530 --> 01:15:03,640
or something yeah I wonder about that I

1730
01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:04,540
wonder about that

1731
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:08,380
so okay you know the joke here you know

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01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:10,270
they don't expect an idiot like you to

1733
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:13,510
be looking for this stuff is it possible

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01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:15,489
at all that they do know about you that

1735
01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:17,350
they're watching you if you see any

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01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:20,020
evidence of all the books you've written

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:22,450
and the research you've done that the

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01:15:29,610 --> 01:15:25,930
military is looking at what Phil and

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Brock NOAA is doing and trying to either

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01:15:34,350 --> 01:15:32,560
observe your behavior or maybe interfere

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with it but before we have you answered

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that question Phil and Brock now joins

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us he's author of files from the edge

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we have Phil and Bragg know who's going

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to answer the cliffhanger question in a

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moment he's author of files from the

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01:20:43,010 --> 01:20:40,530
edge the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

1840
01:20:45,740 --> 01:20:43,020
gene steinberger in the power cast the

1841
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:45,750
question on the table Phil they aware of

1842
01:20:50,530 --> 01:20:48,510
your activities are they watching you

1843
01:20:53,540 --> 01:20:50,540
have you seen evidence of their presence

1844
01:20:55,730 --> 01:20:53,550
no I don't think anybody's watching me I

1845
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,740
believe that at the time that I was

1846
01:21:01,700 --> 01:20:57,120
poking around these on-the-ground

1847
01:21:03,980 --> 01:21:01,710
passages that I was on camera and and

1848
01:21:05,450 --> 01:21:03,990
probably if I went back there within a

1849
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:05,460
reasonable amount of time I probably

1850
01:21:10,190 --> 01:21:08,130
would have been arrested the only time

1851
01:21:12,980 --> 01:21:10,200
that I really had any type of government

1852
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:12,990
interference was during the Hudson

1853
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:16,290
Valley investigation and during that

1854
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:19,050
time I was contacted I was contacted by

1855
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,970
the Air Force in legal relation to the

1856
01:21:24,980 --> 01:21:22,800
sightings the first civilian to be

1857
01:21:29,150 --> 01:21:24,990
officially contacted by the United

1858
01:21:32,030 --> 01:21:29,160
States Air Force since 1969 also you

1859
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:32,040
know I was contacted by a member of the

1860
01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:34,170
National Security Agency regarding the

1861
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:36,420
sightings my involvement with the

1862
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:38,580
investigation of the UFOs over the

1863
01:21:46,210 --> 01:21:41,880
Indian Point nuclear reactor also caused

1864
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:46,220
quite a bit of problems for me because

1865
01:21:53,210 --> 01:21:51,570
it's a secure area and I was barrage by

1866
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:53,220
all kinds of letters and all kinds of

1867
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,010
phone calls and threats of criminal

1868
01:22:02,780 --> 01:21:58,560
action from the Nuclear Regulatory

1869
01:22:04,730 --> 01:22:02,790
Commission and even the office of the

1870
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:04,740
governor of New York will

1871
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:08,730
in New York and with us on the grounds

1872
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:13,890
that I was told things by the guards

1873
01:22:20,420 --> 01:22:18,090
that were involved in protection of the

1874
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:20,430
plant who by the way aren't Rena cops

1875
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:23,490
they're all ex-military that's New York

1876
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:26,580
state police officers highly trained

1877
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:29,850
that they told me things that was vital

1878
01:22:35,330 --> 01:22:32,820
to the security of the plant this is

1879
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:35,340
what they used but try to get me to shut

1880
01:22:42,860 --> 01:22:38,730
up they keep quiet they even called my

1881
01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:42,870
school and told my supervisor the head

1882
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:46,710
of the school that I was involved in an

1883
01:22:51,980 --> 01:22:49,290
area of national security

1884
01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:51,990
and that there were possible actions

1885
01:22:58,910 --> 01:22:55,080
being taken against me and they were

1886
01:23:03,470 --> 01:22:58,920
trying to get them at that level to shut

1887
01:23:05,780 --> 01:23:03,480
me up also so this is why when anyone

1888
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comes forward to me and says you know

1889
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they've got all these secret documents

1890
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they have all this information from the

1891
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government and so on and they you know I

1892
01:23:17,650 --> 01:23:14,910
mean nobody's bothering them I just

1893
01:23:20,660 --> 01:23:17,660
tapped into an area of national security

1894
01:23:22,820 --> 01:23:20,670
the reactor the sightings over the

1895
01:23:26,210 --> 01:23:22,830
reactor but I got my ears pinned back

1896
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,220
right away by the way you know the

1897
01:23:30,230 --> 01:23:28,560
spokesman at the reactor finally

1898
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,240
admitted that we had sightings over

1899
01:23:37,540 --> 01:23:33,600
there and but they claimed that it no

1900
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:37,550
way affected the plant which is not true

1901
01:23:42,670 --> 01:23:39,600
but I think they were more or less

1902
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,680
concerned about that publicity because a

1903
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:44,880
little funny side of the story

1904
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:47,130
after the sightings over the reactor

1905
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:50,370
area about six months later when it all

1906
01:23:58,700 --> 01:23:54,800
finally came out hit the fan a number of

1907
01:24:01,400 --> 01:23:58,710
anti-nuke activist we're always trying

1908
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:01,410
to shut down the plant had a rally

1909
01:24:08,270 --> 01:24:05,310
outside the plant with over a thousand

1910
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:08,280
people and they were handing out copies

1911
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:13,050
of night siege and great now listen to

1912
01:24:19,580 --> 01:24:17,130
this section where Kaptur called

1913
01:24:21,860 --> 01:24:19,590
an indian point where it talks about the

1914
01:24:25,689 --> 01:24:21,870
sightings of the UFO over the reactor

1915
01:24:29,330 --> 01:24:25,699
that was sort of like bookmarked and

1916
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:29,340
they were saying how can we expect these

1917
01:24:35,540 --> 01:24:32,400
police officers to guard this plant from

1918
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terrorists and so on there's they're

1919
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:39,540
seen flying saucers so they try to use

1920
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:42,570
that but also shut down the plant and I

1921
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,010
suppose me quite a bit of profit I've

1922
01:24:50,959 --> 01:24:49,199
got a question uh it kind of dovetails

1923
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:50,969
is one of the questions from the parrot

1924
01:24:55,220 --> 01:24:53,130
caste forum one of the things that you

1925
01:24:58,189 --> 01:24:55,230
don't hear much about when the

1926
01:25:00,200 --> 01:24:58,199
discussion of the Hudson Valley events

1927
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:00,210
from the 80s comes up is the cattle

1928
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:03,570
mutilation phenomenon I understand that

1929
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:06,510
you did quite a bit of work to kinda dig

1930
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,090
in to ascertain the extent of of these

1931
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:12,239
mutilation cases and Plus is an

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01:25:16,340 --> 01:25:14,850
interesting little side note about the

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01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:16,350
possibility of the government actually

1934
01:25:21,700 --> 01:25:19,290
flying in livestock to potentially I

1935
01:25:23,930 --> 01:25:21,710
guess replace livestock that have been

1936
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:23,940
mutilated could you talk about that a

1937
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:26,010
little bit yeah well after the UFO

1938
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:27,780
sightings and during the UFO sightings

1939
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:31,679
there were multiple sheep mutilations

1940
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:34,850
and cattle mutilations in the area and

1941
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,650
one of the things I found out during my

1942
01:25:42,490 --> 01:25:39,840
investigation I mean this is very limply

1943
01:25:47,890 --> 01:25:42,500
to talk for the next three hours on it

1944
01:25:52,580 --> 01:25:47,900
is that I found through investigation a

1945
01:25:55,879 --> 01:25:52,590
secure area at Stewart airfield which is

1946
01:25:59,540 --> 01:25:55,889
a part of an airport now but it was an

1947
01:26:02,510 --> 01:25:59,550
area off to the side that was fenced off

1948
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:02,520
with a security thing you know the

1949
01:26:07,070 --> 01:26:04,310
typical sign that says no trespassing

1950
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:07,080
government installation and so on that

1951
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:10,290
area there was an old shack field where

1952
01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:11,850
they used to put the planes on the

1953
01:26:15,890 --> 01:26:13,620
ground and when they wanted to launch

1954
01:26:18,189 --> 01:26:15,900
the b-52's they would come up and they'd

1955
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:18,199
kind of hide them under the ground

1956
01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:22,440
anyway I noticed that the airfield there

1957
01:26:27,259 --> 01:26:25,710
was not closed down that it was actually

1958
01:26:32,540 --> 01:26:27,269
being well kept

1959
01:26:35,629 --> 01:26:32,550
and that watching there for a while I'm

1960
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:35,639
watching Seif I raise land on that field

1961
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:39,360
and what are they bringing it what's

1962
01:26:44,660 --> 01:26:40,489
going on here

1963
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:44,670
well I did a Freedom of Information Act

1964
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:47,690
a number of times and got nothing

1965
01:26:54,879 --> 01:26:51,360
finally make a very long story short I

1966
01:26:58,220 --> 01:26:54,889
found evidence through documents and

1967
01:27:02,169 --> 01:26:58,230
through phone calls of connecting with a

1968
01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:02,179
person at the field who actually talked

1969
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:05,940
about large shipments of cattle coming

1970
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:10,710
in um and I tried to get a lot of

1971
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:13,650
verification on this I found out that

1972
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:17,280
part of the agency that was operating

1973
01:27:22,279 --> 01:27:19,530
out of that area was the United States

1974
01:27:25,819 --> 01:27:22,289
Department of Agriculture and they were

1975
01:27:30,799 --> 01:27:25,829
shipping in large numbers of cattle on

1976
01:27:34,189 --> 01:27:30,809
c5 A's into that field being taken out

1977
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:34,199
and taken to areas that this person

1978
01:27:40,339 --> 01:27:37,199
didn't know and I found I've got

1979
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:40,349
documents on it all the documentation I

1980
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:43,050
could not I was not able to obtain

1981
01:27:49,370 --> 01:27:47,010
because they kept on leading me around

1982
01:27:52,489 --> 01:27:49,380
in delaying things and when I finally

1983
01:27:55,370 --> 01:27:52,499
got them to admit that the documentation

1984
01:27:57,379 --> 01:27:55,380
existed they said that they only keep

1985
01:27:59,689 --> 01:27:57,389
their documents for a certain length of

1986
01:28:03,169 --> 01:27:59,699
time and then they shred them which they

1987
01:28:06,109 --> 01:28:03,179
did so the next thing I did with Bob

1988
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:06,119
Pratt who was the late Bob Pratt who was

1989
01:28:12,049 --> 01:28:09,570
you know alive then we went out to the

1990
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:12,059
area and I showed in the area I said Bob

1991
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:14,130
I'm going to go in there and find out

1992
01:28:18,020 --> 01:28:16,110
what's going on he says you're going to

1993
01:28:20,180 --> 01:28:18,030
get arrested I said well then we'll know

1994
01:28:22,759 --> 01:28:20,190
what's going on right he was like all

1995
01:28:25,129 --> 01:28:22,769
upset no no you can't do that you can't

1996
01:28:26,930 --> 01:28:25,139
do that so I ended up you know climbing

1997
01:28:29,229 --> 01:28:26,940
the fence and going in and as soon as I

1998
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:29,239
got within about 20 feet down the road

1999
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:31,650
military police came up and then they

2000
01:28:36,220 --> 01:28:33,770
brought me into an area and

2001
01:28:39,070 --> 01:28:36,230
uh they questioned me for about an hour

2002
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,080
and bob was waiting outside and they let

2003
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:41,600
me go they laughter that you know you're

2004
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:43,250
incorrigible aren't you you're

2005
01:28:49,060 --> 01:28:45,050
incorrigible that you keep doing this

2006
01:28:51,340 --> 01:28:49,070
you keep doing tonight on this but but

2007
01:28:53,620 --> 01:28:51,350
the amazing thing was is that when I was

2008
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:53,630
in this debriefing room to

2009
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:55,730
plainclothesmen came in with a file and

2010
01:28:59,770 --> 01:28:57,890
had a file of everything about me they

2011
01:29:02,380 --> 01:28:59,780
had they were going over who I was and

2012
01:29:04,330 --> 01:29:02,390
what I did and so on and so on and they

2013
01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:04,340
were saying you know there's a National

2014
01:29:08,710 --> 01:29:06,350
Security Act and so on and so on and

2015
01:29:10,180 --> 01:29:08,720
finally you know they just let me go and

2016
01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:10,190
he said if you come back again we'll

2017
01:29:14,620 --> 01:29:12,260
have criminal charges against you and of

2018
01:29:16,450 --> 01:29:14,630
course I did not go back trespassing but

2019
01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:16,460
I remember going up there and Bob Pratt

2020
01:29:23,950 --> 01:29:20,510
pacing back and forth he was like he was

2021
01:29:26,260 --> 01:29:23,960
very upset because he knew that this was

2022
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:26,270
a secure area and that I was going to

2023
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:27,050
get in trouble

2024
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the ever curious felon brog know joining

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us this week our co-host before he gets

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arrested for national security

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01:29:39,250 --> 01:29:36,620
violations our co-host is Chris O'Brien

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I'm gene Steinberg you're in the power

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okay so mr. bond James Bond or is it

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bond James Bond

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I can't do that very well people say I

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do lousy imitations of everything I even

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do allows the imitation of myself what I

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find interesting about this whole

2144
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scenario is they were flying c5 though

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he's one of the largest planes the

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humans have ever ever good ever built

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flying cattle into a secure area what's

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wrong with that picture

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c5 in at c5 a galaxies and you know

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these c5 days were secretly going into

2151
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that area so no one really knew they

2152
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were flying over the area now the funny

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part about this is that they would take

2154
01:35:22,399 --> 01:35:19,079
the flight path that would lead them

2155
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:22,409
over Pine Bush New York and all of these

2156
01:35:26,810 --> 01:35:24,449
people would go out the Pine Bush and

2157
01:35:28,250 --> 01:35:26,820
look at these cc5 eggs coming and

2158
01:35:30,620 --> 01:35:28,260
landing in the Stewart and think they

2159
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:30,630
were giant UFOs and the main island

2160
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:33,360
crystal had them on videotape trying to

2161
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:35,610
convince me that they were giant UFOs

2162
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:38,250
and I told her they were c58 landing at

2163
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:40,380
Stewart and when Ellen think of that I

2164
01:35:44,930 --> 01:35:42,570
knew her you know what she was also a

2165
01:35:48,020 --> 01:35:44,940
fan of Star Trek I remember she go to

2166
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,030
the Star Trek conventions in the 1970s

2167
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:50,639
that's what first encountered her but

2168
01:35:55,069 --> 01:35:53,130
okay so when you told her hey it's a c5

2169
01:35:57,709 --> 01:35:55,079
what did she say well he didn't run

2170
01:35:59,770 --> 01:35:57,719
except that she told me that UFOs can

2171
01:36:02,710 --> 01:35:59,780
take the shape of planes

2172
01:36:04,930 --> 01:36:02,720
and that this is what I said them what's

2173
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:04,940
the difference of you know videotaping

2174
01:36:10,210 --> 01:36:07,250
it anyway brains can be UFOs and UFOs

2175
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:10,220
could be blamed no difference I had all

2176
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,360
the you know the information of

2177
01:36:15,460 --> 01:36:13,040
documents because I saw these see five

2178
01:36:17,770 --> 01:36:15,470
days coming and landing and I saw them

2179
01:36:19,930 --> 01:36:17,780
at the flight path coming over the Pine

2180
01:36:22,030 --> 01:36:19,940
Bush area and all of these people would

2181
01:36:25,090 --> 01:36:22,040
run out the Pine Bush go in this one

2182
01:36:27,700 --> 01:36:25,100
particular area cbc fives coming over

2183
01:36:30,490 --> 01:36:27,710
and videotaping and all thinking they're

2184
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:30,500
there these giant UFOs that are landing

2185
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:33,050
in the area and Pine Bush when there was

2186
01:36:39,010 --> 01:36:36,290
in the c58 but the thing is is that but

2187
01:36:42,670 --> 01:36:39,020
what were the c5a is bringing in yes the

2188
01:36:45,940 --> 01:36:42,680
c5 age were also we were bringing in

2189
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:45,950
large shipments of cattle you know I

2190
01:36:50,860 --> 01:36:48,290
want to ask you here okay because we're

2191
01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:50,870
hearing about the cattle why do they

2192
01:36:57,220 --> 01:36:54,440
want to start a local farm I don't know

2193
01:36:59,440 --> 01:36:57,230
but the thing is is that the area there

2194
01:37:01,870 --> 01:36:59,450
was operated by the CIA the Department

2195
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:01,880
of the Navy and the United States

2196
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:05,210
Department of Agriculture the USDA and

2197
01:37:09,610 --> 01:37:07,280
the USDA was there because the cattle

2198
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:09,620
was coming in where they were going to

2199
01:37:14,710 --> 01:37:12,080
well during my investigation is that

2200
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:14,720
they were being shipped out from there

2201
01:37:20,440 --> 01:37:18,410
in trucks to various locations unknown I

2202
01:37:23,650 --> 01:37:20,450
don't know where why the cattle was

2203
01:37:26,980 --> 01:37:23,660
coming in but the thing is is that once

2204
01:37:30,010 --> 01:37:26,990
again we connect one area that has a

2205
01:37:32,620 --> 01:37:30,020
great number of UFO sightings with you

2206
01:37:35,110 --> 01:37:32,630
know cattle and mutilations and so on I

2207
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:35,120
don't know the aliens like beef I don't

2208
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:35,570
know

2209
01:37:41,290 --> 01:37:38,930
lip and ice - but what a Bruce Cornette

2210
01:37:43,660 --> 01:37:41,300
think I know he was up at buying Pine

2211
01:37:45,850 --> 01:37:43,670
Bush working with Ellen at the time of

2212
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:45,860
course dr. Bruce cornet went on to be

2213
01:37:50,770 --> 01:37:49,910
the last manager I think of the needs go

2214
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:50,780
figure that one out

2215
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:53,650
what did Bruce think about about your

2216
01:37:57,310 --> 01:37:55,850
explanation of what they were seen out

2217
01:37:58,510 --> 01:37:57,320
there because I know he was one of the

2218
01:38:01,540 --> 01:37:58,520
ones that was running out there with

2219
01:38:03,970 --> 01:38:01,550
Ellen uh yeah well yeah Bruce and I hung

2220
01:38:06,460 --> 01:38:03,980
out a number of times and it was

2221
01:38:07,810 --> 01:38:06,470
convinced that they're they're all UFOs

2222
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:07,820
and stuff like

2223
01:38:12,459 --> 01:38:10,489
and he had a number of pictures you know

2224
01:38:15,399 --> 01:38:12,469
of these things and time exposures

2225
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:15,409
moving across the sky and you know with

2226
01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:18,800
all due respect to Bruce you know in I

2227
01:38:22,810 --> 01:38:20,510
always hope that you know they were

2228
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:22,820
planes and and the camera was shaken and

2229
01:38:27,850 --> 01:38:24,650
so on but you know you couldn't tell him

2230
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:27,860
that in and you know and and and he

2231
01:38:31,660 --> 01:38:29,570
believed that he saw something

2232
01:38:33,939 --> 01:38:31,670
incredibly strange there and you know

2233
01:38:35,770 --> 01:38:33,949
that's his opinion but I believe that a

2234
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:35,780
good percentage of those sightings out

2235
01:38:39,790 --> 01:38:38,239
in that area were these c-5a is coming

2236
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:39,800
into Stewart well since we're on the

2237
01:38:43,390 --> 01:38:41,119
mutilation subject

2238
01:38:46,060 --> 01:38:43,400
another thing that again you don't hear

2239
01:38:48,970 --> 01:38:46,070
much about when it comes to this one of

2240
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:48,980
the most amazing UFO waves I think in

2241
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:52,400
the modern era of UFOs one element that

2242
01:38:58,109 --> 01:38:55,040
you don't hear much about is rumors of

2243
01:39:00,729 --> 01:38:58,119
human mutilations that may have been

2244
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:00,739
investigated by authorities in the area

2245
01:39:04,209 --> 01:39:03,290
you care to comment on that yes and I

2246
01:39:07,419 --> 01:39:04,219
know where you're going with that

2247
01:39:10,419 --> 01:39:07,429
because it stems out that along the

2248
01:39:13,260 --> 01:39:10,429
Taconic Parkway and Putnam Valley during

2249
01:39:17,050 --> 01:39:13,270
the sightings there were a number of

2250
01:39:18,879 --> 01:39:17,060
people that were murdered for a

2251
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:18,889
practical world that were mutant ought

2252
01:39:25,419 --> 01:39:20,510
to mention thousands attended

2253
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:25,429
disappeared and and this led to a number

2254
01:39:29,589 --> 01:39:28,010
of different stories being proposed by

2255
01:39:32,410 --> 01:39:29,599
residents in the area that there was

2256
01:39:36,669 --> 01:39:32,420
some type of crazed killer out in Ron

2257
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:36,679
stock park and but the sighting of the

2258
01:39:41,290 --> 01:39:38,960
mutilations as they were the murders

2259
01:39:44,140 --> 01:39:41,300
were kept secret by the State Police and

2260
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:44,150
we don't know how many people were

2261
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:47,570
actually involved in this but I know

2262
01:39:54,220 --> 01:39:51,650
they're at least four and and

2263
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:54,230
that case has been completely closed the

2264
01:39:58,839 --> 01:39:55,520
documents have been sealed

2265
01:40:01,300 --> 01:39:58,849
hmm well how about all the thousands of

2266
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:01,310
kids that were reported disappearing

2267
01:40:07,149 --> 01:40:04,159
from the upper Westchester County area

2268
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:07,159
in the mid to late 80s I seem to recall

2269
01:40:11,729 --> 01:40:09,679
some pretty astounding numbers that were

2270
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:11,739
floated around at the time did you ever

2271
01:40:20,740 --> 01:40:16,010
do any work looking into the high amount

2272
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:20,750
of disappearance cases I've heard

2273
01:40:25,450 --> 01:40:22,489
a lot of kids disappearing or other

2274
01:40:30,250 --> 01:40:25,460
people disappearing but I really didn't

2275
01:40:33,850 --> 01:40:30,260
look too far into it it interests me and

2276
01:40:36,610 --> 01:40:33,860
um at that time Peter Gersten was quite

2277
01:40:42,330 --> 01:40:36,620
interested and what was going on there

2278
01:40:46,810 --> 01:40:42,340
and you know back in 1984 we had a

2279
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:46,820
get-together a sort of Town Meeting in

2280
01:40:53,500 --> 01:40:49,489
Brewster at the Henry wells middle

2281
01:40:55,780 --> 01:40:53,510
school in regards to the UFO activity in

2282
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:55,790
the paranormal activity taking place in

2283
01:40:58,959 --> 01:40:56,719
the Hudson Valley

2284
01:41:00,640 --> 01:40:58,969
I should interrupted Peter Gersten is a

2285
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:00,650
lawyer from New York he now lives in

2286
01:41:04,770 --> 01:41:03,199
Arizona and he was instrumental in

2287
01:41:07,419 --> 01:41:04,780
getting loads of Freedom of Information

2288
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:07,429
documents from the government on UFOs

2289
01:41:15,130 --> 01:41:10,880
yes and you know had this meeting

2290
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:15,140
you know we had over 1,500 people show

2291
01:41:20,140 --> 01:41:18,320
up in 900 filled out reports that they

2292
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:20,150
had encounters and I believe to this day

2293
01:41:28,270 --> 01:41:24,410
it was the largest gathering of a UFO

2294
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:28,280
sort of topic in history and we had so

2295
01:41:32,110 --> 01:41:30,530
many people show up that the auditorium

2296
01:41:33,790 --> 01:41:32,120
at the school could not hold on people

2297
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:33,800
were waiting outside and lined up

2298
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:37,730
outside and the main purpose was to

2299
01:41:41,709 --> 01:41:39,440
collect reports from people who would

2300
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:41,719
not come forward and to educate the

2301
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:45,170
public about the UFO experience we had

2302
01:41:49,900 --> 01:41:46,880
you know but Hopkins talking there Larry

2303
01:41:53,050 --> 01:41:49,910
Fawcett Whitley Strieber came and gave a

2304
01:41:55,330 --> 01:41:53,060
talk and I gave a talk and Allen Hynek

2305
01:41:57,550 --> 01:41:55,340
was there he gave a talk about UFO so

2306
01:42:00,040 --> 01:41:57,560
the people were educated about the UFO

2307
01:42:02,140 --> 01:42:00,050
phenomena and they were more willing now

2308
01:42:05,290 --> 01:42:02,150
to come forward and talk about their

2309
01:42:07,419 --> 01:42:05,300
experiences which they kept silent okay

2310
01:42:09,939 --> 01:42:07,429
well looking further at this year and

2311
01:42:12,610 --> 01:42:09,949
we're kind of segwaying away from the

2312
01:42:15,970 --> 01:42:12,620
cattle mutilation stuff I wanted to

2313
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:15,980
maybe look at this in perspective there

2314
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:19,010
have been stories that you see less UFO

2315
01:42:23,950 --> 01:42:21,530
related activities particularly here in

2316
01:42:25,300 --> 01:42:23,960
the 21st century and a lot of the stuff

2317
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:25,310
in your book you're talking about the

2318
01:42:30,580 --> 01:42:28,610
80s and the 90s so in recent years what

2319
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:30,590
sort of stuff what types of cases have

2320
01:42:34,020 --> 01:42:31,840
you been seeing

2321
01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:34,030
I'm seeing more cases of close

2322
01:42:41,820 --> 01:42:38,409
encounters and many many of the people

2323
01:42:44,930 --> 01:42:41,830
have come forward to me exclaiming

2324
01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:44,940
compact cases with some type of alien

2325
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:48,190
dimensional intelligence many of them

2326
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:51,130
have had UFO sightings back in the 80s

2327
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:53,530
so these are people who originally

2328
01:42:59,520 --> 01:42:56,050
started off of the UFO sighting now are

2329
01:43:02,700 --> 01:42:59,530
having these high strangeness cases many

2330
01:43:05,339 --> 01:43:02,710
of the cases involve what we would

2331
01:43:07,979 --> 01:43:05,349
consider alien like visitors

2332
01:43:11,879 --> 01:43:07,989
walking into bedrooms at night and

2333
01:43:14,430 --> 01:43:11,889
taking people and the number of cases

2334
01:43:17,399 --> 01:43:14,440
that have come forward since that time

2335
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:17,409
are actually astounding one of the

2336
01:43:21,629 --> 01:43:19,330
things I always like to see separated

2337
01:43:24,750 --> 01:43:21,639
when you talk about encounters at night

2338
01:43:26,580 --> 01:43:24,760
in your bed and you see this creature

2339
01:43:28,770 --> 01:43:26,590
come to you or maybe you have an

2340
01:43:30,689 --> 01:43:28,780
awareness of being taken aboard a

2341
01:43:34,770 --> 01:43:30,699
spacecraft how much of that is maybe

2342
01:43:37,919 --> 01:43:34,780
sleep paralysis well a certain

2343
01:43:42,660 --> 01:43:37,929
percentage of it does involve sleep

2344
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:42,670
paralysis and but in many of the cases

2345
01:43:48,990 --> 01:43:46,719
there people are alert I even have a

2346
01:43:50,689 --> 01:43:49,000
number of cases in which you know there

2347
01:43:53,550 --> 01:43:50,699
were husband and wife and they're both

2348
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:53,560
experienced sleep paralysis and they had

2349
01:43:59,580 --> 01:43:58,000
the so-called same dream so you know

2350
01:44:03,990 --> 01:43:59,590
there's really something interesting

2351
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:04,000
going on here and it involves many of

2352
01:44:08,339 --> 01:44:06,159
the people who originally had a UFO

2353
01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:08,349
encounter back in the eighties we'll get

2354
01:44:11,729 --> 01:44:10,030
into more event in a moment we have Phil

2355
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:11,739
and Brad know he's author of files from

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the edge a reminder you can find more of

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01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:28,270
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01:46:05,940 --> 01:46:02,990
[Music]

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01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:05,950
we're in the final four segments of our

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01:46:10,650 --> 01:46:08,170
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a lot more recoveries author of a book

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cast okay Phil a lot of people who get

2405
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:27,550
involved in exploring UFO research say

2406
01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:30,610
you know it's et is coming here to land

2407
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:33,910
that's all it is all this other stuff is

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01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:36,400
mumbo jumbo we don't want to deal with

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01:46:42,210 --> 01:46:39,370
it what's your response to them well you

2410
01:46:43,860 --> 01:46:42,220
know people you know in the paranormal

2411
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:43,870
whether it's involved UFOs Argo the

2412
01:46:48,330 --> 01:46:46,210
ghost hunters to say it's all ghosts I

2413
01:46:50,580 --> 01:46:48,340
mean you know religious fanatics saying

2414
01:46:52,230 --> 01:46:50,590
it's all demons and devils the people

2415
01:46:54,150 --> 01:46:52,240
who were involved with UFOs saying it's

2416
01:46:56,460 --> 01:46:54,160
all aliens with the technology from

2417
01:46:59,070 --> 01:46:56,470
another dimension I believe that what

2418
01:47:01,500 --> 01:46:59,080
we're seeing as the UFO phenomena ISM is

2419
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:01,510
a multi-faceted phenomenal there's not

2420
01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:03,970
one answer for I think we're seeing many

2421
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:07,030
different things many different types of

2422
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:09,850
phenomena and trying to put one label on

2423
01:47:14,670 --> 01:47:11,650
it depending upon what you want to

2424
01:47:18,030 --> 01:47:14,680
believe and what you want this to

2425
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:18,040
represent to yourself I think one of the

2426
01:47:21,900 --> 01:47:20,170
you know the people who are involved

2427
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:21,910
with the paranormal that have the

2428
01:47:27,420 --> 01:47:24,130
blinders on so to speak or the UFO

2429
01:47:28,860 --> 01:47:27,430
investigators and most of the people

2430
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:28,870
from MUFON and some of the other

2431
01:47:32,970 --> 01:47:30,690
organizations of smaller organizations

2432
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:32,980
you know they're out there looking for

2433
01:47:38,490 --> 01:47:35,920
alien spacecraft and everything is an

2434
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:38,500
alien spacecraft to them you know there

2435
01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:41,290
may be other explanations for the

2436
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:43,180
appearance of a lot of the things that

2437
01:47:49,140 --> 01:47:46,480
we're seeing as UFOs not just alien

2438
01:47:51,330 --> 01:47:49,150
spacecraft even though I admit that a

2439
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:51,340
certain percentage of the sightings may

2440
01:47:57,300 --> 01:47:54,370
be alien spacecraft but I believe also

2441
01:48:00,690 --> 01:47:57,310
that a certain percentage has a

2442
01:48:02,430 --> 01:48:00,700
different origin different different

2443
01:48:05,220 --> 01:48:02,440
explanation so where is the line of

2444
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:05,230
demarcation how do you separate eet from

2445
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:07,600
who knows what well you can't because

2446
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:09,970
most of the time you're taking the

2447
01:48:14,580 --> 01:48:11,770
person who have the experience their

2448
01:48:14,930 --> 01:48:14,590
work if the person is you know convinced

2449
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:14,940
that they

2450
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:17,010
to an extraterrestrial spaceship when

2451
01:48:22,939 --> 01:48:19,050
they're telling you their story they'll

2452
01:48:25,370 --> 01:48:22,949
try to focus on that that they had an EP

2453
01:48:27,709 --> 01:48:25,380
and count if a person has religious

2454
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:27,719
beliefs they're going to try to convince

2455
01:48:32,450 --> 01:48:30,090
you in when they're relating their story

2456
01:48:35,780 --> 01:48:32,460
to you that they had an encounter with

2457
01:48:38,689 --> 01:48:35,790
an angelic entity or some type of you

2458
01:48:40,700 --> 01:48:38,699
know supernatural being if a person is

2459
01:48:42,170 --> 01:48:40,710
really believes in ghosts and they're

2460
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:42,180
into all this ghost hunting and

2461
01:48:46,610 --> 01:48:44,489
everything their UFO experience to them

2462
01:48:47,860 --> 01:48:46,620
might represent the manifestation of

2463
01:48:50,900 --> 01:48:47,870
some type of you know

2464
01:48:53,300 --> 01:48:50,910
ectoplasmic spirit so it depends upon

2465
01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:53,310
you know who you talk to and how they

2466
01:48:58,640 --> 01:48:55,860
represent how to relate the sighting to

2467
01:49:01,840 --> 01:48:58,650
you so you really have to go around that

2468
01:49:05,150 --> 01:49:01,850
and just try to get the description and

2469
01:49:07,850 --> 01:49:05,160
the information and basically what you

2470
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:07,860
say is that really I don't care what you

2471
01:49:13,370 --> 01:49:10,489
think you saw I want to know exactly

2472
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:13,380
what you saw not what you think you saw

2473
01:49:17,470 --> 01:49:15,570
but is it also possible that this

2474
01:49:20,150 --> 01:49:17,480
phenomenon whatever it might be

2475
01:49:22,700 --> 01:49:20,160
manifests itself in a way that the

2476
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:22,710
particular witness interprets it in a

2477
01:49:26,300 --> 01:49:24,330
certain way so you don't know what the

2478
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:26,310
source is because they're seeing it

2479
01:49:31,220 --> 01:49:29,040
through their eyes their expectations

2480
01:49:33,140 --> 01:49:31,230
their experience oh this is true you

2481
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,150
know we're dealing with an intelligence

2482
01:49:37,970 --> 01:49:35,280
for example that you know considers us

2483
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:37,980
you know second-rate you know citizens

2484
01:49:42,290 --> 01:49:40,170
of the universe they may not want to

2485
01:49:46,209 --> 01:49:42,300
represent themselves in their true form

2486
01:49:49,250 --> 01:49:46,219
or true fashion so they will manifest

2487
01:49:51,860 --> 01:49:49,260
according to what the person wants to

2488
01:49:54,110 --> 01:49:51,870
see and when we talk about this we get

2489
01:49:58,450 --> 01:49:54,120
into the idea once again of the

2490
01:50:01,729 --> 01:49:58,460
trickster and the aspect of a

2491
01:50:05,450 --> 01:50:01,739
dimensional entity that has been

2492
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:05,460
mentioned for over a thousand years or

2493
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,010
longer call begin

2494
01:50:12,140 --> 01:50:10,560
which means hidden means they live in

2495
01:50:13,790 --> 01:50:12,150
another dimension they interact with

2496
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:13,800
humans but they never represent their

2497
01:50:17,930 --> 01:50:16,320
true nature to us and you're writing a

2498
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:17,940
book on the Gentoo that's coming out

2499
01:50:23,150 --> 01:50:20,489
here cinepak remembers coming out in

2500
01:50:25,500 --> 01:50:23,160
march of 2011

2501
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:25,510
it's called the vengeful Djinn

2502
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:28,000
and it takes the Islamic legends of the

2503
01:50:32,939 --> 01:50:30,250
gin with the Native American legends of

2504
01:50:36,419 --> 01:50:32,949
the trickster combining of a paranormal

2505
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,429
experiences of today and UFO experiences

2506
01:50:41,939 --> 01:50:39,280
of today and putting it all together

2507
01:50:45,569 --> 01:50:41,949
indicating that you know what we're

2508
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:45,579
seeing these manifestations could be the

2509
01:50:51,089 --> 01:50:48,489
result of dimensional beings and these

2510
01:50:54,660 --> 01:50:51,099
dimensional beings have been known since

2511
01:50:57,419 --> 01:50:54,670
ancient times they were called in the

2512
01:50:59,520 --> 01:50:57,429
Arabic world jinn which means hidden

2513
01:51:03,089 --> 01:50:59,530
which means they're hidden from our view

2514
01:51:05,899 --> 01:51:03,099
to me back then to people back then it

2515
01:51:08,490 --> 01:51:05,909
meant they were invisible to me and

2516
01:51:11,089 --> 01:51:08,500
people today it means that they're in

2517
01:51:14,759 --> 01:51:11,099
another dimension that we cannot see

2518
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:14,769
quite exciting now let's go back in the

2519
01:51:18,750 --> 01:51:16,480
past here when you first started

2520
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:18,760
investigating the subject was there a

2521
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:20,650
point where you said you know what it's

2522
01:51:26,370 --> 01:51:24,610
not just et it has to be more was it J

2523
01:51:28,589 --> 01:51:26,380
Allen Hynek talking about high

2524
01:51:31,470 --> 01:51:28,599
strangeness or what because I remember

2525
01:51:34,109 --> 01:51:31,480
in those years late 70s I interviewed

2526
01:51:37,259 --> 01:51:34,119
dr. Hynek and this was maybe a couple of

2527
01:51:39,419 --> 01:51:37,269
years before he died and he was talking

2528
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:39,429
to me and hinting very broadly that

2529
01:51:45,839 --> 01:51:41,650
there was more to UFOs than just et

2530
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:45,849
where was your point of expansion shall

2531
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:49,360
we say well I think I you know in the

2532
01:51:54,569 --> 01:51:51,760
70s I was more or less focused on the

2533
01:51:57,839 --> 01:51:54,579
idea of ET and spaceships from another

2534
01:52:00,029 --> 01:51:57,849
world and you know I have a background

2535
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:00,039
in astronomy as well as chemistry so you

2536
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:02,320
know the idea of extraterrestrials

2537
01:52:06,839 --> 01:52:04,960
fascinated me more I got involved with

2538
01:52:09,209 --> 01:52:06,849
the UFO experience the UFO

2539
01:52:10,830 --> 01:52:09,219
investigations more I began to realize

2540
01:52:14,339 --> 01:52:10,840
there was another element to this whole

2541
01:52:17,959 --> 01:52:14,349
thing that involves something different

2542
01:52:19,649 --> 01:52:17,969
than nothing both spaceship with

2543
01:52:21,810 --> 01:52:19,659
extraterrestrials on some type of

2544
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:21,820
scientific mission here there was

2545
01:52:33,089 --> 01:52:26,489
something else involved and I think by

2546
01:52:36,839 --> 01:52:33,099
about 1984 or five I began to realize

2547
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:36,849
that extraterrestrial spaceships cannot

2548
01:52:41,370 --> 01:52:37,840
account for

2549
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:41,380
or the entire UFO experience I had long

2550
01:52:47,129 --> 01:52:45,520
conversations with Allen Hynek and he

2551
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:47,139
was very conservative about what he

2552
01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:49,840
would say in public but he was totally

2553
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:54,300
convinced by about 1984 that these

2554
01:52:57,419 --> 01:52:56,080
extraterrestrial spacecraft that

2555
01:52:59,339 --> 01:52:57,429
everybody thinks they're seeing they're

2556
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:59,349
actually something from a parallel

2557
01:53:03,870 --> 01:53:01,599
reality which he called and he said

2558
01:53:07,290 --> 01:53:03,880
something to me that was kind of shocked

2559
01:53:09,540 --> 01:53:07,300
to me and we all know people who are

2560
01:53:11,790 --> 01:53:09,550
involved in UFO investigation in the

2561
01:53:13,530 --> 01:53:11,800
paranormal that John keel has been

2562
01:53:17,129 --> 01:53:13,540
talking about dimensional beings since

2563
01:53:19,919 --> 01:53:17,139
the 60s and Allen Hynek was one of John

2564
01:53:21,959 --> 01:53:19,929
killed biggest critics but a Lahaina

2565
01:53:24,839 --> 01:53:21,969
said to me about two years before he

2566
01:53:26,580 --> 01:53:24,849
passed over he said you know I think

2567
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:26,590
John keel was right about this whole

2568
01:53:32,580 --> 01:53:29,530
thing when I called John and told him

2569
01:53:34,910 --> 01:53:32,590
that I'm almost how often is Cheri's you

2570
01:53:37,950 --> 01:53:34,920
got to be kidding me

2571
01:53:41,070 --> 01:53:37,960
John he said you were right all along on

2572
01:53:43,290 --> 01:53:41,080
this stuff all right so so we're not

2573
01:53:46,379 --> 01:53:43,300
ufologist were demonologist I think is

2574
01:53:48,510 --> 01:53:46,389
how he would have put it well you know

2575
01:53:50,939 --> 01:53:48,520
John had a lot of interesting comments

2576
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:50,949
about the UFO phenomena he believed that

2577
01:53:56,010 --> 01:53:53,679
you know a lot of this was dimensional

2578
01:53:58,109 --> 01:53:56,020
in nature but the UFO people people who

2579
01:53:58,919 --> 01:53:58,119
investigated just UFOs and we're looking

2580
01:54:01,200 --> 01:53:58,929
for spaceships

2581
01:54:05,939 --> 01:54:01,210
he called them I think was one of his

2582
01:54:11,820 --> 01:54:08,790
they sure loved him because of that yeah

2583
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:11,830
I'm sure they did but he was he was he

2584
01:54:17,010 --> 01:54:14,110
was a fascinating guy he had some some

2585
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:17,020
stories that would either make you look

2586
01:54:21,839 --> 01:54:19,810
at him and Wonder and Wonder or you'd be

2587
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:21,849
rolling on the floor laughing I mean you

2588
01:54:26,100 --> 01:54:24,010
you had a Bigfoot thing encounter in

2589
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:26,110
Thailand you want to talk about that

2590
01:54:31,050 --> 01:54:28,330
just briefly and also some of the

2591
01:54:34,140 --> 01:54:31,060
strange hairy humanoid reports that

2592
01:54:35,609 --> 01:54:34,150
cropped up in you know with inside

2593
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:35,619
almost and one of the largest urban

2594
01:54:39,930 --> 01:54:38,080
areas of the world you would care to go

2595
01:54:43,500 --> 01:54:39,940
into that just briefly yeah I can go

2596
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:43,510
into it you know I've had an interest in

2597
01:54:47,700 --> 01:54:45,520
the paranormal since I was like who

2598
01:54:50,850 --> 01:54:47,710
knows how young and I used to read all

2599
01:54:51,449 --> 01:54:50,860
the books about it and get all the UFO

2600
01:54:55,259 --> 01:54:51,459
magaz

2601
01:54:57,660 --> 01:54:55,269
and in in the late sixties I went into

2602
01:55:01,699 --> 01:54:57,670
the military and I was in the Vietnam

2603
01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:01,709
War and to make a long story short I

2604
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:04,900
heard stories when I was in Thailand

2605
01:55:10,830 --> 01:55:07,570
from Thailand about a large hairy

2606
01:55:16,379 --> 01:55:10,840
creature that existed in an area in

2607
01:55:18,689 --> 01:55:16,389
northern Thailand and so you know I went

2608
01:55:20,489 --> 01:55:18,699
out there to investigate I mean I should

2609
01:55:22,290 --> 01:55:20,499
travel all over the place there I mean I

2610
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:22,300
wouldn't do something like that now but

2611
01:55:25,259 --> 01:55:23,920
well look into the hairy creature in a

2612
01:55:27,629 --> 01:55:25,269
moment Phil we're going to look at the

2613
01:55:29,850 --> 01:55:27,639
hairy creature we have filum regno

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2641
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2642
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2643
01:56:45,060 --> 01:56:43,449
people know ever since President Nixon

2644
01:56:46,979 --> 01:56:45,070
took us up the gold standard the US

2645
01:56:48,689 --> 01:56:46,989
dollar has been evaluating what people

2646
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:48,699
don't know however is how this directly

2647
01:56:52,140 --> 01:56:50,650
affects your personal finances is there

2648
01:56:54,540 --> 01:56:52,150
a way to prevent your portfolios from

2649
01:56:56,399 --> 01:56:54,550
losing value the answer to all of this

2650
01:56:58,140 --> 01:56:56,409
gold and silver they've both maintained

2651
01:57:01,609 --> 01:56:58,150
their purchasing power for 6,000 years

2652
01:57:04,830 --> 01:57:01,619
if you had had $100,000 in cash and

2653
01:57:07,140 --> 01:57:04,840
$100,000 in gold and silver back in 1913

2654
01:57:08,879 --> 01:57:07,150
and kept them both until now your cash

2655
01:57:10,649 --> 01:57:08,889
would actually have the buying power of

2656
01:57:12,510 --> 01:57:10,659
only four thousand eight hundred dollars

2657
01:57:14,189 --> 01:57:12,520
but your gold and silver would have the

2658
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:14,199
buying power of three million dollars

2659
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:16,000
the answer to protecting your assets is

2660
01:57:33,319 --> 01:57:16,480
simple

2661
01:57:45,930 --> 01:57:43,979
1-866-931-6190 to the gulf of mexico--

2662
01:57:48,030 --> 01:57:45,940
illustrates an audacity toward nature a

2663
01:57:49,830 --> 01:57:48,040
similar audacity called GMO or

2664
01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:49,840
genetically modified organisms means

2665
01:57:53,430 --> 01:57:51,520
that the quality of commercially grown

2666
01:57:55,500 --> 01:57:53,440
food may be compromised with our health

2667
01:57:56,879 --> 01:57:55,510
in the balance now that summer's here

2668
01:57:58,830 --> 01:57:56,889
what better time to learn about the

2669
01:58:01,770 --> 01:57:58,840
bounty that nature provides in wild

2670
01:58:03,810 --> 01:58:01,780
edible food let Otto Linda Runyan show

2671
01:58:05,879 --> 01:58:03,820
you the best kept secret in plain sight

2672
01:58:07,290 --> 01:58:05,889
that food is everywhere you look this

2673
01:58:08,879 --> 01:58:07,300
summer for the cost of a good meal or

2674
01:58:10,109 --> 01:58:08,889
two out you can literally starvation

2675
01:58:12,450 --> 01:58:10,119
proof yourself and your loved ones

2676
01:58:14,700 --> 01:58:12,460
against any future craziness and put up

2677
01:58:16,379 --> 01:58:14,710
tons of free food to whatever experiment

2678
01:58:17,970 --> 01:58:16,389
is being run on us you can rest assured

2679
01:58:20,129 --> 01:58:17,980
that Linda's 50 or so staple foods

2680
01:58:23,069 --> 01:58:20,139
aren't involved our foods are their

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we left you with a cliffhanger there

2726
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Phil and Brad no is going to talk about

2727
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:24,260
a hairy creature he tried to chase down

2728
02:00:31,180 --> 02:00:28,370
or learn more about during his service

2729
02:00:33,460 --> 02:00:31,190
during the Vietnam War we have a co-host

2730
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:33,470
christopher o'brien with us I'm gene

2731
02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:36,290
Steinberg you're in the power cast so on

2732
02:00:40,510 --> 02:00:38,210
a previous section you left it open

2733
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:40,520
there what did you find out about the

2734
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:42,770
hairy creature Phil well I cure need up

2735
02:00:49,180 --> 02:00:45,530
to an area called P my and northern

2736
02:00:51,460 --> 02:00:49,190
Thailand and I went into the village and

2737
02:00:54,490 --> 02:00:51,470
to the outskirts of the village there

2738
02:00:58,480 --> 02:00:54,500
are these ancient ruins that are like 18

2739
02:01:03,070 --> 02:00:58,490
a 1600 years old and now the villagers

2740
02:01:06,370 --> 02:01:03,080
say that every night they bring flowers

2741
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:06,380
and food into the temple because the

2742
02:01:11,770 --> 02:01:08,690
hairy man comes down from the hills with

2743
02:01:14,890 --> 02:01:11,780
his family and he takes the fruit and

2744
02:01:17,500 --> 02:01:14,900
they leave the food there because they

2745
02:01:20,260 --> 02:01:17,510
don't want any problems because

2746
02:01:23,110 --> 02:01:20,270
according to the stories 50 years prior

2747
02:01:26,260 --> 02:01:23,120
to that time this was like in the 60s so

2748
02:01:28,450 --> 02:01:26,270
50 years prior to about 1968 the hairy

2749
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:28,460
man which was subscribed to sort of like

2750
02:01:32,980 --> 02:01:30,650
a bigfoot-like creature will be becau

2751
02:01:35,290 --> 02:01:32,990
Sasquatch or Bigfoot or a Yeti or the

2752
02:01:39,010 --> 02:01:35,300
himalayas came into the village and

2753
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:39,020
stole food and took two young girls and

2754
02:01:44,230 --> 02:01:41,810
took them back took them out of hell in

2755
02:01:46,570 --> 02:01:44,240
the force and abducted them and they

2756
02:01:49,690 --> 02:01:46,580
were never seen again because of that

2757
02:01:51,670 --> 02:01:49,700
incident because of that story of course

2758
02:01:53,620 --> 02:01:51,680
the villagers would tell their children

2759
02:01:55,090 --> 02:01:53,630
unless you're good you know the hairy

2760
02:01:58,990 --> 02:01:55,100
man is going to come down and take you

2761
02:02:00,730 --> 02:01:59,000
so the hairy man has gone the reputation

2762
02:02:03,610 --> 02:02:00,740
over the years and that village sort of

2763
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:03,620
like the American boogeyman but I mean I

2764
02:02:07,030 --> 02:02:05,360
was spending the day exploring the

2765
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:07,040
temple I was fascinating all the

2766
02:02:12,910 --> 02:02:09,770
carvings and everything like that and as

2767
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:12,920
nightfall came started to get dark I was

2768
02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:15,290
told I better leave the ruins at

2769
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:17,360
nightfall because the hairy man comes

2770
02:02:21,670 --> 02:02:19,760
down and of course this fascinated me

2771
02:02:24,100 --> 02:02:21,680
but you know I have to admit you know

2772
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:24,110
that walking through those dark

2773
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:27,110
corridors at sunset going around the

2774
02:02:30,370 --> 02:02:28,250
corners

2775
02:02:33,130 --> 02:02:30,380
corner I was expecting to see something

2776
02:02:34,810 --> 02:02:33,140
and I have to tell you now I kind of

2777
02:02:38,830 --> 02:02:34,820
like chickened out a little bit we kind

2778
02:02:42,580 --> 02:02:38,840
of left but as I was leaving how to the

2779
02:02:45,010 --> 02:02:42,590
main entrance I heard something cabbie

2780
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:45,020
coming through the jungle walking and I

2781
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:46,610
kind of retreated up because I really

2782
02:02:51,460 --> 02:02:48,770
didn't know what I was dealing with and

2783
02:02:54,370 --> 02:02:51,470
I was alone and I came to the beginning

2784
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:54,380
of the entrance to the old temple to the

2785
02:02:57,880 --> 02:02:56,330
ruins and a number of villagers were

2786
02:03:00,850 --> 02:02:57,890
there and they had flowers and they had

2787
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:00,860
food and they were going to bring it

2788
02:03:04,510 --> 02:03:02,810
into the main corridor and I said well I

2789
02:03:06,040 --> 02:03:04,520
want to see this thing there's no no no

2790
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:06,050
you cannot see him because if you look

2791
02:03:10,390 --> 02:03:08,810
at him you you will die so they were

2792
02:03:11,980 --> 02:03:10,400
bringing food they told me I was crazy

2793
02:03:14,140 --> 02:03:11,990
because I wanted to go in there with the

2794
02:03:16,210 --> 02:03:14,150
flashlight and just try to see this

2795
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:16,220
thing pick up the fruit and they

2796
02:03:19,390 --> 02:03:18,080
wouldn't let me in and I had to spend

2797
02:03:21,310 --> 02:03:19,400
the night at the village so I didn't

2798
02:03:22,810 --> 02:03:21,320
want to upset any of the elders or any

2799
02:03:25,180 --> 02:03:22,820
of their customs I don't want to get

2800
02:03:26,950 --> 02:03:25,190
kicked out into the jungle at night so

2801
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:26,960
they left the food they came out and

2802
02:03:30,820 --> 02:03:28,970
they said he was in there they saw a

2803
02:03:33,070 --> 02:03:30,830
shadow and they ran out they were very

2804
02:03:34,870 --> 02:03:33,080
frightened and we went back down to the

2805
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:34,880
village which was about about a half a

2806
02:03:40,570 --> 02:03:37,850
mile or so walk down the path they put

2807
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:40,580
me up in a family's home the very high

2808
02:03:45,160 --> 02:03:43,130
people are very friendly by the way very

2809
02:03:47,350 --> 02:03:45,170
friendly to strangers it's part of the

2810
02:03:49,810 --> 02:03:47,360
the Buddhist religion most of the people

2811
02:03:53,260 --> 02:03:49,820
in Thailand or Buddhist and I stood in

2812
02:03:56,830 --> 02:03:53,270
this home and I could hear sounds coming

2813
02:03:59,170 --> 02:03:56,840
from the ruins and they didn't sound

2814
02:04:01,030 --> 02:03:59,180
like animals and they didn't sound the

2815
02:04:02,470 --> 02:04:01,040
human they something something in

2816
02:04:04,570 --> 02:04:02,480
between and it sounds like there was

2817
02:04:06,850 --> 02:04:04,580
about 3 of them anyway this went on to

2818
02:04:09,940 --> 02:04:06,860
about 4 o'clock in the morning the next

2819
02:04:11,650 --> 02:04:09,950
day I said to the elders I said you know

2820
02:04:13,300 --> 02:04:11,660
I want to come back and spend the night

2821
02:04:16,330 --> 02:04:13,310
at the temple but I want to bring two of

2822
02:04:18,490 --> 02:04:16,340
my friends and first they were objecting

2823
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:18,500
and so on they said fine but if you

2824
02:04:21,430 --> 02:04:20,330
bring any weapons you have to leave them

2825
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:21,440
there you can't bring any weapons

2826
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:24,770
because if you harm one of the creatures

2827
02:04:29,350 --> 02:04:26,450
one of the hairy man's family

2828
02:04:31,990 --> 02:04:29,360
will take revenge on us so I said fine

2829
02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:32,000
so after you know going through a whole

2830
02:04:35,650 --> 02:04:34,130
bunch of after going through a whole

2831
02:04:37,780 --> 02:04:35,660
bunch of you know stuff through the

2832
02:04:39,510 --> 02:04:37,790
military all this stuff you have to go

2833
02:04:41,730 --> 02:04:39,520
through you know going

2834
02:04:44,550 --> 02:04:41,740
in circles and so on and so on hurry up

2835
02:04:47,940 --> 02:04:44,560
and do this and wait and so on I finally

2836
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:47,950
talked two of my buddies into into

2837
02:04:53,970 --> 02:04:50,410
coming back with me and we made it up

2838
02:04:56,190 --> 02:04:53,980
there we had a few days off and we made

2839
02:04:59,490 --> 02:04:56,200
it up there and and as we're traveling

2840
02:05:02,160 --> 02:04:59,500
through you know which back then was a

2841
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:02,170
jungle road into this village of P my

2842
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:06,010
today it's a modern Roda here we had

2843
02:05:11,610 --> 02:05:09,130
weapons on us and we came to the village

2844
02:05:13,710 --> 02:05:11,620
and you know introduced ourselves and

2845
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:13,720
the elders of the village of the shaman

2846
02:05:17,010 --> 02:05:15,370
of the village made sure the priests of

2847
02:05:19,710 --> 02:05:17,020
the Vosges make sure we laid our weapons

2848
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:19,720
down and you only allowed us a

2849
02:05:24,840 --> 02:05:22,450
flashlight and so on to go in to the

2850
02:05:29,310 --> 02:05:24,850
area so we went into the area and we

2851
02:05:32,190 --> 02:05:29,320
camped outside on a terrace and we

2852
02:05:34,620 --> 02:05:32,200
bought sleeping bags and and so on and

2853
02:05:36,150 --> 02:05:34,630
flashlights and back then they only had

2854
02:05:38,100 --> 02:05:36,160
the dry cells you know they didn't have

2855
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:38,110
alkaline cells back then so we wanted to

2856
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:40,810
conserve the energy all of a sudden you

2857
02:05:46,370 --> 02:05:42,850
know about midnight or so everything's

2858
02:05:49,020 --> 02:05:46,380
quiet and I hear a storm rolling it and

2859
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:49,030
we sort of like move our sleeping bags

2860
02:05:53,550 --> 02:05:51,250
back to the entrance where the terrace

2861
02:05:55,020 --> 02:05:53,560
is where the temple is and all of a

2862
02:05:58,370 --> 02:05:55,030
sudden starts raining and it's raining

2863
02:06:01,800 --> 02:05:58,380
hard and we hear something in the jungle

2864
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:01,810
walking towards us in the dark and we're

2865
02:06:05,100 --> 02:06:03,730
shining the light into the jungle

2866
02:06:06,780 --> 02:06:05,110
there's nothing there we told me shine

2867
02:06:08,820 --> 02:06:06,790
the light into the jungle the noise

2868
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:08,830
would stop we turned the light off it

2869
02:06:13,770 --> 02:06:11,530
would start approaching us again so one

2870
02:06:16,530 --> 02:06:13,780
of the persons I was with he was from

2871
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:16,540
Tennessee and the other one was from

2872
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:18,880
West Virginia so these were two wild

2873
02:06:23,580 --> 02:06:21,490
crazy guys the rain started coming down

2874
02:06:25,290 --> 02:06:23,590
so hard and the Thunder was going on so

2875
02:06:27,330 --> 02:06:25,300
hard and the flashlights all of a sudden

2876
02:06:29,340 --> 02:06:27,340
were dying and this is what I couldn't

2877
02:06:30,930 --> 02:06:29,350
explain back then but even though we had

2878
02:06:33,020 --> 02:06:30,940
fresh batteries in there each change the

2879
02:06:35,340 --> 02:06:33,030
batteries the power was being trained

2880
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:35,350
today we see this quite a bit in

2881
02:06:40,500 --> 02:06:38,170
paranormal investigations Electrical

2882
02:06:42,390 --> 02:06:40,510
batteries and so on and power supplies

2883
02:06:43,709 --> 02:06:42,400
drained quite quickly in a paranormal

2884
02:06:47,900 --> 02:06:43,719
area

2885
02:06:52,770 --> 02:06:47,910
so all of a sudden I'm back into the the

2886
02:06:55,709 --> 02:06:52,780
temple area and the guys were Tennessee

2887
02:07:01,650 --> 02:06:55,719
is nameless Fussell his last name

2888
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:01,660
he he's yelling and standing next and

2889
02:07:06,450 --> 02:07:04,690
he's staring at his large shape from

2890
02:07:11,610 --> 02:07:06,460
where I was I could just see a

2891
02:07:13,530 --> 02:07:11,620
silhouette and the other person Charlie

2892
02:07:15,450 --> 02:07:13,540
who was from West Virginia he's looking

2893
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:15,460
at this shape also and this thing looks

2894
02:07:21,660 --> 02:07:19,210
at us and it has like yellow eyes well

2895
02:07:24,689 --> 02:07:21,670
he like it was a very very long time but

2896
02:07:26,670 --> 02:07:24,699
it was a very short sighting the guy

2897
02:07:29,939 --> 02:07:26,680
from Tennessee fossil was going yo what

2898
02:07:31,770 --> 02:07:29,949
are you what are you what are you and by

2899
02:07:33,780 --> 02:07:31,780
the time we started making no existing

2900
02:07:36,689 --> 02:07:33,790
his jumps as if it was on a trampoline

2901
02:07:38,850 --> 02:07:36,699
right back into the force but when it

2902
02:07:40,500 --> 02:07:38,860
went into the jungle area didn't even

2903
02:07:42,720 --> 02:07:40,510
making noise like it was landing it's

2904
02:07:47,729 --> 02:07:42,730
almost floated down into it

2905
02:07:50,010 --> 02:07:47,739
and Russell was walking up and down up

2906
02:07:51,689 --> 02:07:50,020
and down and acting like an orangutan

2907
02:07:53,670 --> 02:07:51,699
and I said what are you doing he says

2908
02:07:56,010 --> 02:07:53,680
I'm trying to get the thing out maybe

2909
02:08:00,689 --> 02:07:56,020
it'll come out if I act like an ape he

2910
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:00,699
thought it was a big giant ape anyway so

2911
02:08:04,439 --> 02:08:02,410
you know he's going in you know what

2912
02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:04,449
acting like an orangutan walking up and

2913
02:08:09,630 --> 02:08:07,210
down the terrace and in the woods we see

2914
02:08:13,250 --> 02:08:09,640
three pairs of eyes so you know six

2915
02:08:15,630 --> 02:08:13,260
yellow areas three pairs of eyes and

2916
02:08:17,880 --> 02:08:15,640
Charlie's getting upset he's yelling at

2917
02:08:19,650 --> 02:08:17,890
me why do we leave our guns I'd say well

2918
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:19,660
before we find out what happened next

2919
02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:22,000
falen broad no joining us all through

2920
02:08:27,060 --> 02:08:24,370
files from the edge we're talking now

2921
02:08:29,820 --> 02:08:27,070
about a close encounter with strange

2922
02:08:32,580 --> 02:08:29,830
creatures who knows our co-host Chris

2923
02:08:36,380 --> 02:08:32,590
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberger in the

2924
02:08:36,390 --> 02:08:40,840
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2925
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is there a secret UFO agenda strange

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creatures from the darkest corners of

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2928
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evidence for mind control time travel or

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today tired of searching for great talk

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radio stuff on here we are the GC and

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radio networks this is Leslie Kane and

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I'm with the Coalition for freedom of

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information and you are listening to the

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podcast

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we have fill-in brog no with us stuck in

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Southeast Asia seeing weird creatures

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02:13:14,070 --> 02:13:11,050
what co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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Steinberg you're in the power cast so

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what happens next you left your weapons

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behind you dare to do well they were in

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the village with the elders because the

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elders knew that these guys would have

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shot at them all right this discreet

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sure was sacred to them it was a spirit

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to them they considered as spirit came

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into our world those who might be a

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Cylon well that's sort of it you know

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over there they consider these creatures

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to be sacred animals they were like

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spirits and you know you'll mess around

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02:13:43,979 --> 02:13:42,190
with them anyway it's pouring rain yet

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to magic the Lightning is flashing all

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over the place and it's pouring raining

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I mean the rain is coming down really

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really really hard and this guy he's

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02:13:56,580 --> 02:13:54,699
just marching up and down in making

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02:13:58,530 --> 02:13:56,590
sounds like a monkey trying to get these

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02:14:00,810 --> 02:13:58,540
things out of the force again if you

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02:14:03,720 --> 02:14:00,820
want to get a better look at them and we

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02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:03,730
see three pairs of yellow eyes and the

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force so Charlie the guy from West

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02:14:09,180 --> 02:14:07,900
Virginia is yelling at me why do we

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02:14:11,100 --> 02:14:09,190
leave our weapons on these things are

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02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:11,110
going to get it he picks up a big stone

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02:14:16,200 --> 02:14:13,570
and throws it into the woods and it like

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02:14:19,649 --> 02:14:16,210
hit something that sounded like a dense

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body or something of thump as he did

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02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:21,790
that the lights just the eyes just

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disappeared and we did not hear anything

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for the rest of the night now the next

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day when we went back down to the

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village and told the elders what we saw

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the elders were quite upset that this

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happened to us and he questioned both

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02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:42,820
Charlie and myself and Russell looked at

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02:14:48,270 --> 02:14:46,090
this creature right in the face he said

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02:14:51,450 --> 02:14:48,280
it was about eight feet tall it had red

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hair all over its body and a fossil was

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about six foot two so this thing dwarfed

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it I just saw the outline of the dark

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02:15:01,410 --> 02:14:59,080
shape he said it had yellow eyes Charlie

3072
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:01,420
also looked in its eyes but I really did

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02:15:05,879 --> 02:15:03,610
the elder of the village told him that

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the story is if you look at this

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creature directly in your eyes you will

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die within six months

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do you know we left the village and both

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Charlie and Fussell died within six

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months from combat wounds but I'm fine

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did you check for any physical evidence

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there at the site whether it actually

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ends and he couldn't find anything

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02:15:32,180 --> 02:15:28,140
couldn't find anything so about a month

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after that incident I had an RN R rest

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and relaxation and I went to Bangkok and

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I stopped at Bangkok University and I

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talked to a professor there I got his

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02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:41,040
name in the book couldn't even pronounce

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02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:45,210
it a long time and I told him about our

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02:15:51,410 --> 02:15:47,730
siding up in the tea my ruins and he

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02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:51,420
said that it was possible that we had an

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encounter with an orangutan I said wait

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02:16:00,290 --> 02:15:56,070
a minute I thought you ran two tanks are

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02:16:02,450 --> 02:16:00,300
not no potted no nazo one he said at one

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02:16:04,729 --> 02:16:02,460
time he said orangutangs were in

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Thailand but they became extinct but

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nobody knows for sure there may be some

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02:16:12,860 --> 02:16:10,620
surviving families of orangutans in the

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02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:12,870
jungle I told him well I said this thing

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was you know dwarfed my friend fossil

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02:16:20,750 --> 02:16:18,060
was six foot two they must have been

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02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:20,760
about a feet tall he started laughing

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02:16:24,500 --> 02:16:22,650
and saying well maybe the lightning in

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02:16:27,229 --> 02:16:24,510
the rain kind of like gave the illusion

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02:16:30,140 --> 02:16:27,239
that it was so big and so on and so on

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02:16:32,719 --> 02:16:30,150
and he started talking about Giganta pus

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02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:32,729
the ancestor of the orangutan which was

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eight foot tall that was known to live

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in that area because fossils were found

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but he laughed and didn't think that any

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of them were alive today and and sort of

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02:16:48,679 --> 02:16:46,650
like kind of like said that well maybe

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02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:48,689
you probably did encounter some type of

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eight or something and the lightning

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02:16:56,480 --> 02:16:53,939
just made everything look bigger didn't

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02:16:58,730 --> 02:16:56,490
really take the story seriously like

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thank them and you know left the

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university and went on with my vacation

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02:17:06,049 --> 02:17:03,929
in Thailand and no government agents

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02:17:09,410 --> 02:17:06,059
came to you and said still don't do that

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02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:09,420
no so many nobody would today for

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02:17:16,040 --> 02:17:11,610
example I did some research on that area

3123
02:17:19,940 --> 02:17:16,050
and the P my runes are now a country is

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02:17:21,879 --> 02:17:19,950
Park it's a country site people visit

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02:17:25,349 --> 02:17:21,889
there all the time

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02:17:28,209 --> 02:17:25,359
old village now has grown to almost like

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02:17:32,110 --> 02:17:28,219
almost City proportion they even have a

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02:17:35,620 --> 02:17:32,120
McDonald's there and the road that was

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02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:35,630
once a dirt road leading up to the small

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02:17:39,849 --> 02:17:37,370
village which was only about eight

3131
02:17:42,189 --> 02:17:39,859
buildings is now a paved road with

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02:17:46,299 --> 02:17:42,199
traffic bus traffic going back and forth

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02:17:48,549 --> 02:17:46,309
so people can visit the ruins and and I

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02:17:50,349 --> 02:17:48,559
wonder about you know the story of the

3135
02:17:53,320 --> 02:17:50,359
hairy man I mean you know is it just

3136
02:17:57,189 --> 02:17:53,330
become legend beer of course nothing has

3137
02:17:58,870 --> 02:17:57,199
been spotted since the 1970s

3138
02:18:00,879 --> 02:17:58,880
maybe they fled because they didn't like

3139
02:18:04,179 --> 02:18:00,889
all the progress and all the machines

3140
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:04,189
and everything or gosh I'm sure that's

3141
02:18:08,439 --> 02:18:05,689
what you know a lot of the local

3142
02:18:10,540 --> 02:18:08,449
residents or the old-timers believe that

3143
02:18:12,879 --> 02:18:10,550
the hairy man just left they went back

3144
02:18:15,490 --> 02:18:12,889
to his world well how about the hairy

3145
02:18:17,530 --> 02:18:15,500
man in the dodson Valley region I was

3146
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:17,540
I'm sure some of our listeners would be

3147
02:18:22,419 --> 02:18:20,569
surprised to learn that that Bigfoot is

3148
02:18:25,139 --> 02:18:22,429
apparently alive and well in the Hudson

3149
02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:25,149
Valley region there's quite a number of

3150
02:18:30,519 --> 02:18:27,679
sightings well a number of them that you

3151
02:18:32,860 --> 02:18:30,529
mentioned in files on the edge what is

3152
02:18:34,509 --> 02:18:32,870
your feeling about about that you know

3153
02:18:36,309 --> 02:18:34,519
well I don't know if this is a creature

3154
02:18:37,899 --> 02:18:36,319
that's left over from the Ice Age or

3155
02:18:39,879 --> 02:18:37,909
walking around walking around it's a

3156
02:18:43,149 --> 02:18:39,889
little more crowded areas it's gotta be

3157
02:18:44,439 --> 02:18:43,159
seen or shot by somebody for example

3158
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:44,449
their Bigfoot sightings over in the

3159
02:18:49,660 --> 02:18:47,090
Catskills and their Bigfoot sightings

3160
02:18:51,610 --> 02:18:49,670
and Connecticut their Bigfoot sightings

3161
02:18:55,089 --> 02:18:51,620
in Rhode Island a Bigfoot sightings in

3162
02:18:58,089 --> 02:18:55,099
pale places of southern New York so for

3163
02:19:01,660 --> 02:18:58,099
example and they go back to the 1800s I

3164
02:19:04,419 --> 02:19:01,670
found stories in newspapers of Bigfoot

3165
02:19:07,149 --> 02:19:04,429
sightings that date back to the 1880s in

3166
02:19:10,209 --> 02:19:07,159
Connecticut and Winstead back then they

3167
02:19:13,419 --> 02:19:10,219
call these creatures the wild men of the

3168
02:19:15,870 --> 02:19:13,429
forest but today they're Bigfoot

3169
02:19:18,820 --> 02:19:15,880
sightings so if these things are like

3170
02:19:21,160 --> 02:19:18,830
physical creatures as we would we would

3171
02:19:23,860 --> 02:19:21,170
consider physical creatures something

3172
02:19:27,780 --> 02:19:23,870
left over from the Ice Age they're seen

3173
02:19:30,700 --> 02:19:27,790
for a period of time they disappear and

3174
02:19:32,799 --> 02:19:30,710
where do they go perhaps they are some

3175
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:32,809
type of dimensional creatures that

3176
02:19:37,820 --> 02:19:35,010
actually come through portals by

3177
02:19:39,740 --> 02:19:37,830
excellent or intention I don't know well

3178
02:19:42,110 --> 02:19:39,750
you know they could also just be hiding

3179
02:19:45,019 --> 02:19:42,120
in the woods I mean we don't have the

3180
02:19:48,500 --> 02:19:45,029
capability of exploring every single

3181
02:19:50,210 --> 02:19:48,510
space every single occasion the areas up

3182
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:50,220
in Connecticut where this thing was

3183
02:19:56,660 --> 02:19:54,090
spotted since the 1885 it's pretty well

3184
02:19:59,480 --> 02:19:56,670
built up in that area and they're really

3185
02:20:01,730 --> 02:19:59,490
hunters and people are going walking

3186
02:20:04,040 --> 02:20:01,740
through the woods all the time and you

3187
02:20:07,219 --> 02:20:04,050
really can't hide something that big

3188
02:20:08,750 --> 02:20:07,229
well underground area design do tend to

3189
02:20:10,550 --> 02:20:08,760
be spotted in areas where there's

3190
02:20:12,349 --> 02:20:10,560
underground cavern systems well that's

3191
02:20:14,900 --> 02:20:12,359
true too and if they're living on the

3192
02:20:16,969 --> 02:20:14,910
ground who knows a lot of paranormal

3193
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,979
phenomena especially creature sightings

3194
02:20:20,660 --> 02:20:18,479
take place where there are underground

3195
02:20:22,070 --> 02:20:20,670
caverns now one of the things I noticed

3196
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:22,080
in your book and I guess this would be

3197
02:20:27,440 --> 02:20:24,090
the sole point of disappointment no

3198
02:20:28,880 --> 02:20:27,450
photographs house publishers idea okay

3199
02:20:30,889 --> 02:20:28,890
because I remember there's this one

3200
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:30,899
chapter where you actually see something

3201
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:33,930
using a special now outmoded Kodak film

3202
02:20:41,170 --> 02:20:37,410
to check specific images and a specific

3203
02:20:43,460 --> 02:20:41,180
portion of the visible spectrum okay and

3204
02:20:44,809 --> 02:20:43,470
unfortunately no picture of it didn't

3205
02:20:47,780 --> 02:20:44,819
show up in yellow well there was a

3206
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picture and publisher decided that the

3207
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reproduction of these pictures would be

3208
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too expensive and they decided to focus

3209
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on the book being the files and actually

3210
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that I have the same publisher as Stan

3211
02:21:05,570 --> 02:21:02,850
Roman and somebody made a comment about

3212
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his book messages where are the pictures

3213
02:21:11,240 --> 02:21:08,850
missing pictures he may have them except

3214
02:21:12,769 --> 02:21:11,250
the publisher really doesn't want to

3215
02:21:15,710 --> 02:21:12,779
publish them because now they're looking

3216
02:21:19,610 --> 02:21:15,720
for all super high-resolution stuff

3217
02:21:22,639 --> 02:21:19,620
because they're making these copies that

3218
02:21:24,620 --> 02:21:22,649
really don't reproduce well and this is

3219
02:21:27,860 --> 02:21:24,630
why the pictures were taken out I had

3220
02:21:30,320 --> 02:21:27,870
like 25 images of paranormal stuff that

3221
02:21:33,080 --> 02:21:30,330
it even sent to me or that I had

3222
02:21:36,170 --> 02:21:33,090
photographed in my research and that was

3223
02:21:37,550 --> 02:21:36,180
all kept out by suggestion of the

3224
02:21:40,280 --> 02:21:37,560
publisher because they felt they

3225
02:21:41,980 --> 02:21:40,290
wouldn't reproduce properly so they kept

3226
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:41,990
out a few they kept out all the pictures

3227
02:21:47,011 --> 02:21:44,080
there are some really good

3228
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cops in the back where you actually look

3229
02:21:52,320 --> 02:21:49,720
through your database for interesting

3230
02:21:54,540 --> 02:21:52,330
correlations and patterns and I do I do

3231
02:21:58,350 --> 02:21:54,550
want to remind our listeners that this

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book is is is very I think very

3233
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invaluable for for a person that's

3234
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interested in going out in the field and

3235
02:22:06,090 --> 02:22:04,930
how to actually analyze your data I was

3236
02:22:07,710 --> 02:22:06,100
very impressed with some of the

3237
02:22:10,620 --> 02:22:07,720
analytical work that you've done with

3238
02:22:12,750 --> 02:22:10,630
your database look at more of that in a

3239
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:12,760
moment and about his analysis and we'll

3240
02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:15,760
try to bring things to a conclusion of

3241
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:17,530
one sort or another in our next section

3242
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we have Philip and Brad no author of

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files from the edge the co-host is

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02:22:26,130 --> 02:22:23,890
Christopher O'Brien who has also spent a

3245
02:22:28,650 --> 02:22:26,140
lot of time in the field investigating

3246
02:22:30,540 --> 02:22:28,660
paranormal events I am right now I'm not

3247
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expecting a paranormal event anytime

3248
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soon I'm gene steinberger in the power

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cast ray Perkins a reclusive veteran

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burned out from the Gulf War lives

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tortured by relentless perplexing

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nightmares nightmares of a horrific

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this is the para cast you never know

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what's gonna happen next

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02:27:07,801 --> 02:27:06,511
we have fill-in bread no author of files

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from the edge of paranormal

3364
02:27:12,121 --> 02:27:09,791
investigators exploration into a high

3365
02:27:12,871 --> 02:27:12,131
strangeness and these things are quite

3366
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strange

3367
02:27:18,631 --> 02:27:16,150
we have co-host Chris O'Brien I'm gene

3368
02:27:20,190 --> 02:27:18,641
Steinberger in the power cast this is

3369
02:27:23,031 --> 02:27:20,200
the last section we don't have a lot of

3370
02:27:24,991 --> 02:27:23,041
time Phil but maybe some advice for

3371
02:27:28,621 --> 02:27:25,001
investigators who want to learn more

3372
02:27:30,421 --> 02:27:28,631
what can we do to eventually if possible

3373
02:27:32,671 --> 02:27:30,431
prove any of this beyond just

3374
02:27:35,461 --> 02:27:32,681
photographs that are difficult to

3375
02:27:38,520 --> 02:27:35,471
reproduce and all the case histories how

3376
02:27:40,650 --> 02:27:38,530
can we prove completely once and for all

3377
02:27:44,071 --> 02:27:40,660
what's going on or we're not going to be

3378
02:27:46,350 --> 02:27:44,081
able to because individually we don't

3379
02:27:47,881 --> 02:27:46,360
have the resources and we don't have the

3380
02:27:51,900 --> 02:27:47,891
time to do this you have to remember

3381
02:27:53,850 --> 02:27:51,910
that 90's 99% of the paranormal

3382
02:27:55,770 --> 02:27:53,860
investigators out there are doing it in

3383
02:27:58,890 --> 02:27:55,780
their spare time but all have real jobs

3384
02:28:01,921 --> 02:27:58,900
and so the resource resources are

3385
02:28:04,741 --> 02:28:01,931
greatly limited I would say that what's

3386
02:28:07,350 --> 02:28:04,751
needed is that a project has to be

3387
02:28:10,980 --> 02:28:07,360
established you take a number of people

3388
02:28:12,961 --> 02:28:10,990
in the field of science that are you

3389
02:28:15,631 --> 02:28:12,971
know involved with paranormal research

3390
02:28:17,581 --> 02:28:15,641
UFO research and you give them a big

3391
02:28:20,251 --> 02:28:17,591
budget and of course you have to put

3392
02:28:25,051 --> 02:28:20,261
them on a salary and say this is your

3393
02:28:27,961 --> 02:28:25,061
task fellas you have five years to study

3394
02:28:30,421 --> 02:28:27,971
this whole thing and analyze everything

3395
02:28:34,171 --> 02:28:30,431
and you have you know almost unlimited

3396
02:28:36,541 --> 02:28:34,181
resources and after five years you

3397
02:28:39,781 --> 02:28:36,551
publish a paper or you know big book on

3398
02:28:41,751 --> 02:28:39,791
your findings and the year to the vote

3399
02:28:45,421 --> 02:28:41,761
you know your full time for this and

3400
02:28:46,591 --> 02:28:45,431
your expertise from your field you get a

3401
02:28:49,501 --> 02:28:46,601
number of different people in different

3402
02:28:51,661 --> 02:28:49,511
fields to work on it and after five

3403
02:28:57,841 --> 02:28:51,671
years you produce your findings I think

3404
02:29:00,480 --> 02:28:57,851
if that's done we will see a solution to

3405
02:29:02,461 --> 02:29:00,490
this but that's not going to be done

3406
02:29:04,140 --> 02:29:02,471
because most of the researchers out

3407
02:29:07,140 --> 02:29:04,150
there don't work together they almost

3408
02:29:07,730 --> 02:29:07,150
work in conflict they conflict with each

3409
02:29:10,821 --> 02:29:07,740
other

3410
02:29:13,890 --> 02:29:10,831
Viggo's around the line and so on and

3411
02:29:16,349 --> 02:29:13,900
nobody really gets along I mean I don't

3412
02:29:18,090 --> 02:29:16,359
even speak a UFO conferences anyway

3413
02:29:20,519 --> 02:29:18,100
been invited over and over again because

3414
02:29:22,290 --> 02:29:20,529
a couple of times I've been out to cover

3415
02:29:25,290 --> 02:29:22,300
I've been accused of being a government

3416
02:29:28,260 --> 02:29:25,300
plan of a government agent and yeah what

3417
02:29:30,269 --> 02:29:28,270
is paranoia you're going on and people

3418
02:29:32,880 --> 02:29:30,279
saying well I'm right you're wrong I'm

3419
02:29:35,130 --> 02:29:32,890
right nobody's right fellas people out

3420
02:29:37,500 --> 02:29:35,140
there nobody's right nobody has a handle

3421
02:29:40,290 --> 02:29:37,510
on this each investigator each

3422
02:29:42,779 --> 02:29:40,300
researcher is putting up pieces of

3423
02:29:45,809 --> 02:29:42,789
information and they have one piece of a

3424
02:29:48,029 --> 02:29:45,819
giant picture puzzle and they're trying

3425
02:29:50,939 --> 02:29:48,039
to find out what the picture represents

3426
02:29:52,590 --> 02:29:50,949
by looking at one piece until everybody

3427
02:29:54,840 --> 02:29:52,600
gets together and puts all their pieces

3428
02:29:56,729 --> 02:29:54,850
together we're not going to find out

3429
02:29:59,010 --> 02:29:56,739
what to speak at what all this

3430
02:30:01,380 --> 02:29:59,020
represents you're here consulting a

3431
02:30:02,429 --> 02:30:01,390
concerted team effort is the only way

3432
02:30:05,519 --> 02:30:02,439
that we're going to move this whole

3433
02:30:07,170 --> 02:30:05,529
shooting match forward and that's the

3434
02:30:09,300 --> 02:30:07,180
only possible way that could be moved

3435
02:30:11,790 --> 02:30:09,310
forward I've been saying this for years

3436
02:30:14,159 --> 02:30:11,800
myself and the one of the reasons why my

3437
02:30:17,099 --> 02:30:14,169
database is available to anybody who's

3438
02:30:19,170 --> 02:30:17,109
interested enough to go through it is

3439
02:30:21,179 --> 02:30:19,180
that I'm just hoping that somebody's

3440
02:30:23,819 --> 02:30:21,189
going to find something in there that it

3441
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:23,829
might be a piece of their particular

3442
02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:25,359
puzzle which might give them some

3443
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:26,970
insight into their particular

3444
02:30:32,250 --> 02:30:30,970
investigative work and I do absolutely

3445
02:30:35,519 --> 02:30:32,260
agree with you

3446
02:30:37,500 --> 02:30:35,529
a 110 percent on that Phil the only way

3447
02:30:40,859 --> 02:30:37,510
we're going to get through this and get

3448
02:30:43,529 --> 02:30:40,869
any closer to any sort of explanation or

3449
02:30:46,260 --> 02:30:43,539
gain better quality data is if we work

3450
02:30:48,630 --> 02:30:46,270
together the thing I want to also point

3451
02:30:50,729 --> 02:30:48,640
out here is that we do have lots of

3452
02:30:53,040 --> 02:30:50,739
information that isn't even being made

3453
02:30:55,619 --> 02:30:53,050
available we did an episode a while back

3454
02:30:58,800 --> 02:30:55,629
Chris and I with another guest talking

3455
02:31:01,590 --> 02:30:58,810
about this huge database that's

3456
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:01,600
available in separate file form

3457
02:31:07,380 --> 02:31:04,930
old-fashioned files from a pro an

3458
02:31:10,219 --> 02:31:07,390
old-time UFO investigative body under

3459
02:31:12,840 --> 02:31:10,229
lock and key multiple file cabinets and

3460
02:31:15,149 --> 02:31:12,850
the people who have these file cabinets

3461
02:31:16,859 --> 02:31:15,159
have done nothing I know I asked our

3462
02:31:19,349 --> 02:31:16,869
listeners if they'd be willing to

3463
02:31:21,420 --> 02:31:19,359
participate in a petition to try to get

3464
02:31:24,149 --> 02:31:21,430
a change but unfortunately people aren't

3465
02:31:25,670 --> 02:31:24,159
interested so unfortunate yes well you

3466
02:31:28,460 --> 02:31:25,680
know I remember

3467
02:31:30,260 --> 02:31:28,470
the a profiles and there's quite a bit

3468
02:31:33,710 --> 02:31:30,270
of my information in there that's now

3469
02:31:37,460 --> 02:31:33,720
under lock and key also we also and a

3470
02:31:39,860 --> 02:31:37,470
Lahaina consisted that that we

3471
02:31:42,830 --> 02:31:39,870
contribute hundreds and hundreds and

3472
02:31:46,340 --> 02:31:42,840
hundreds of pages to that particular

3473
02:31:48,500 --> 02:31:46,350
file and now it seems inaccessible I

3474
02:31:51,080 --> 02:31:48,510
want to ask you the Center for UFO

3475
02:31:53,599 --> 02:31:51,090
studies the organization that Hynek had

3476
02:31:56,780 --> 02:31:53,609
founded is that so active anymore I

3477
02:31:59,599 --> 02:31:56,790
don't believe it is I think it's it's

3478
02:32:02,630 --> 02:31:59,609
more or less closed its doors primarily

3479
02:32:06,889 --> 02:32:02,640
because of you know financial means and

3480
02:32:09,139 --> 02:32:06,899
I guess interest to but I saw it falling

3481
02:32:10,969 --> 02:32:09,149
apart after Allen Allen Hynek separated

3482
02:32:12,769 --> 02:32:10,979
from it well I think that's the other

3483
02:32:16,219 --> 02:32:12,779
issue that we're concerned about here

3484
02:32:19,370 --> 02:32:16,229
how many organizations are there left we

3485
02:32:21,290 --> 02:32:19,380
have MUFON but they're primarily an ET

3486
02:32:23,719 --> 02:32:21,300
based organization although they get

3487
02:32:26,660 --> 02:32:23,729
into other subjects and lately they've

3488
02:32:29,780 --> 02:32:26,670
had a few teething pains along the way

3489
02:32:31,910 --> 02:32:29,790
where else do you go well you don't

3490
02:32:34,250 --> 02:32:31,920
they're individual investigators

3491
02:32:36,530 --> 02:32:34,260
individual researchers that you know are

3492
02:32:39,050 --> 02:32:36,540
well-known in particular areas in which

3493
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:39,060
were collecting the information but you

3494
02:32:44,689 --> 02:32:41,930
have to remember like there are about a

3495
02:32:46,939 --> 02:32:44,699
thousand and that's probably a

3496
02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:46,949
conservative method of little local

3497
02:32:52,460 --> 02:32:49,770
organizations of paranormal UFO

3498
02:32:54,590 --> 02:32:52,470
researchers in little particular area so

3499
02:32:56,540 --> 02:32:54,600
they're out there too all of these

3500
02:32:59,269 --> 02:32:56,550
little groups and some of them are are

3501
02:33:02,330 --> 02:32:59,279
way out there left field boy let me tell

3502
02:33:04,550 --> 02:33:02,340
you I think some of the organizations

3503
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:04,560
that are devoted to disclosure we have a

3504
02:33:07,939 --> 02:33:06,479
lot of well-meaning people doing that

3505
02:33:10,370 --> 02:33:07,949
and other people who are kind of wacky

3506
02:33:11,900 --> 02:33:10,380
to put it mildly what do you think that

3507
02:33:13,460 --> 02:33:11,910
I feel something like this you're going

3508
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:13,470
to have whatever you get something like

3509
02:33:18,380 --> 02:33:15,770
this you're going to have you know all

3510
02:33:20,750 --> 02:33:18,390
wacky people coming out of the woodwork

3511
02:33:23,330 --> 02:33:20,760
for example during you know the Hudson

3512
02:33:25,550 --> 02:33:23,340
Valley case the publication of night

3513
02:33:27,620 --> 02:33:25,560
siege in nights each we use real

3514
02:33:29,059 --> 02:33:27,630
people's names their real jobs and

3515
02:33:30,740 --> 02:33:29,069
everything we got permission to do this

3516
02:33:34,189 --> 02:33:30,750
because people wanted to stand by what

3517
02:33:36,341 --> 02:33:34,199
they saw the downside of that since

3518
02:33:38,110 --> 02:33:36,351
their names were published in where they

3519
02:33:41,821 --> 02:33:38,120
no tell me lived in and where they saw

3520
02:33:46,810 --> 02:33:41,831
their sighting many of these people were

3521
02:33:49,571 --> 02:33:46,820
confronted and bothered by UFO wacko

3522
02:33:51,850 --> 02:33:49,581
people that would come to the doors at

3523
02:33:53,350 --> 02:33:51,860
all hours of the day and week and knock

3524
02:33:57,131 --> 02:33:53,360
on their door and want to talk about

3525
02:33:58,631 --> 02:33:57,141
their encounters with the aliens and the

3526
02:34:00,581 --> 02:33:58,641
women some of the witnesses called me

3527
02:34:03,161 --> 02:34:00,591
and said you know do you know so-and-so

3528
02:34:05,171 --> 02:34:03,171
seems kind of strange I said well there

3529
02:34:07,331 --> 02:34:05,181
are a lot of strange people out there is

3530
02:34:10,091 --> 02:34:07,341
that why you put the long and short of

3531
02:34:13,060 --> 02:34:10,101
is that why in most cases in your new

3532
02:34:16,600 --> 02:34:13,070
book you do not have real names that's

3533
02:34:17,980 --> 02:34:16,610
right and and and many of the people who

3534
02:34:19,751 --> 02:34:17,990
were like you know pillars in the

3535
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:19,761
community good witnesses who came

3536
02:34:23,440 --> 02:34:22,160
forward that you know really establish

3537
02:34:26,650 --> 02:34:23,450
that credibility

3538
02:34:30,850 --> 02:34:26,660
these people were hounded by what I

3539
02:34:32,951 --> 02:34:30,860
would call the UFO cultists nuts and and

3540
02:34:34,841 --> 02:34:32,961
I have second thoughts you know about

3541
02:34:37,180 --> 02:34:34,851
even if a person says you may use my

3542
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:37,190
name and my location

3543
02:34:41,711 --> 02:34:40,370
I still advise against it because of the

3544
02:34:44,051 --> 02:34:41,721
people that are actually out there

3545
02:34:47,591 --> 02:34:44,061
monitoring this they think they have to

3546
02:34:49,631 --> 02:34:47,601
get involved unfortunate unfortunate the

3547
02:34:52,211 --> 02:34:49,641
book is called files from the edge by

3548
02:34:54,640 --> 02:34:52,221
Philip J and Brock no subtitle to

3549
02:34:58,121 --> 02:34:54,650
paranormal investigators explorations

3550
02:34:59,051 --> 02:34:58,131
into high strangeness Phil we have about

3551
02:35:00,371 --> 02:34:59,061
a minute left

3552
02:35:02,890 --> 02:35:00,381
can you tell listeners we're to get a

3553
02:35:05,261 --> 02:35:02,900
hold of you if anyplace and how to get a

3554
02:35:07,150 --> 02:35:05,271
copy of the book well the books in any

3555
02:35:09,911 --> 02:35:07,160
bookstore and in the best place to get

3556
02:35:11,501 --> 02:35:09,921
it on Amazon of course and they can call

3557
02:35:16,001 --> 02:35:11,511
the publisher they have a special bill

3558
02:35:17,711 --> 02:35:16,011
on it now 1-800 the moon and I can be

3559
02:35:19,690 --> 02:35:17,721
reached that email I don't have a

3560
02:35:25,541 --> 02:35:19,700
website everybody's telling me Phil you

3561
02:35:29,921 --> 02:35:25,551
got to get a website email is B e L 13

3562
02:35:33,400 --> 02:35:29,931
13 at yahoo.com and I'm always open to

3563
02:35:35,501 --> 02:35:33,410
people's experiences because I'm still

3564
02:35:37,411 --> 02:35:35,511
collecting reports and trying to analyze

3565
02:35:39,671 --> 02:35:37,421
and make some sense of this whole thing

3566
02:35:41,551 --> 02:35:39,681
give that address down again a little

3567
02:35:49,099 --> 02:35:41,561
bit slower some people can write it down

3568
02:35:50,929 --> 02:35:49,109
it's a bell with one L 1313 at yahoo.com

3569
02:35:52,489 --> 02:35:50,939
hopefully there will be no spam there

3570
02:35:55,489 --> 02:35:52,499
because I wouldn't want to see you

3571
02:35:57,109 --> 02:35:55,499
inundated with a lot of junk mail Chris

3572
02:35:58,849 --> 02:35:57,119
O'Brien tell our listeners where they

3573
02:36:02,269 --> 02:35:58,859
can find more of all the things that you

3574
02:36:04,550 --> 02:36:02,279
work on well I do have a website it's

3575
02:36:06,979 --> 02:36:04,560
called our strange planet oh you are

3576
02:36:07,340 --> 02:36:06,989
strange planet it is a strange planet we

3577
02:36:11,239 --> 02:36:07,350
live on

3578
02:36:12,920 --> 02:36:11,249
it's our strange planet calm and my

3579
02:36:15,529 --> 02:36:12,930
latest book stalking the tricksters of

3580
02:36:17,630 --> 02:36:15,539
course is available at Amazon or you can

3581
02:36:19,880 --> 02:36:17,640
get an autographed copy on my side and I

3582
02:36:21,229 --> 02:36:19,890
want to thank Phil for coming on the

3583
02:36:25,519 --> 02:36:21,239
show this has been a real pleasure for

3584
02:36:27,399 --> 02:36:25,529
me failure a real inspiration nights

3585
02:36:30,649 --> 02:36:27,409
each was very instrumental in my

3586
02:36:34,099 --> 02:36:30,659
thinking early on as an investigator had

3587
02:36:39,139 --> 02:36:34,109
my first multi UFO sighting up in New

3588
02:36:40,369 --> 02:36:39,149
Paltz in 79 so always had very real good

3589
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:40,379
interest in your work and I really

3590
02:36:44,179 --> 02:36:41,850
appreciate all that you've done over the

3591
02:36:47,510 --> 02:36:44,189
years thank you well thank you Chris for

3592
02:36:49,790 --> 02:36:47,520
coming from you that's a considerable

3593
02:36:51,949 --> 02:36:49,800
compliment thank you thanks guys for

3594
02:36:54,900 --> 02:36:51,959
joining us this week on the power cast

3595
02:36:57,200 --> 02:36:54,910
okay so long thanks gene

3596
02:36:59,600 --> 02:36:57,210
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3597
02:37:01,371 --> 02:36:59,610
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3598
02:37:03,831 --> 02:37:01,381
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3599
02:37:08,220 --> 02:37:03,841
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